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Author: Kerry Waylen    Posted: Thur, 03 Nov 2005 16:45:00 -0800
Hello all I noted editors of books were not cited as (eds.) so I fixed this by personalising my bibliography style, for 'whole books', to cite (eds.) when I entered names in the secondary authors field. However, when I come to create the bibliography in author-date order, it lists books with editors out of order (as if they were anon). Does anyone know a way around this? This seems a fairly basic function. I previously used endnote and am beginning to think it is better! Kerry Kerry Waylen Research Assistant Botanic Gardens Conservation International Descano House 199 Kew Road Richmond, Surrey, TW9 3BW, UK www.bgci.org

Re: Bibliography sorting
Author: Sarah Cage    Posted: Tues, 08 Nov 2005 16:30:00 -0800
This topic has been on the list before - the only solution which I have seen that would work without causing more problems is to create a new reference type for edited books (modify one of the types which you are never likely to want), and then use this type for all edited books, inserting the editors as authors. The work-around which I compromised on was to ignore the problem until the final draft, then remove the links to RM, and re-sort the bibliography. I couldn't face going through all the books on my database and revising the document type! It is caused by RM sorting on "authors 1" rather than "any authors". Hope you find a suitable solution Sarah Cage Senior Scientific Information Specialist NPIS (Birmingham Centre) UK e-mail: "s.cage" ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Kerry.Waylen???????????" <"Kerry.Waylen??????????? To: "RIS-List" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: <RefMan> Bibliography sorting > > Hello all > > I noted editors of books were not cited as (eds.) so I fixed this by > personalising my bibliography style, for 'whole books', to cite (eds.) > when I entered names in the secondary authors field. > > However, when I come to create the bibliography in author-date order, it > lists books with editors out of order (as if they were anon). > > Does anyone know a way around this? This seems a fairly basic function. > I previously used endnote and am beginning to think it is better! > > Kerry > > Kerry Waylen > Research Assistant > Botanic Gardens Conservation International Descano House > 199 Kew Road > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 3BW, UK > www.bgci.org > > > > >

RE: Bibliography sorting
Author: Becky Skidmore    Posted: Tues, 08 Nov 2005 16:30:00 -0800
Kerry: I don't work in formats using the author/date sort order but I think you would have to create a new ref type for items where there are only editors (maybe re-jig one of the ones you seldom use, e.g., Sound Recording, Music Score). These editors would then occupy the [04] field reserved for primary authors rather than the current [14] field for secondary authors. The information would then sort based on the contents on the [04] field. Becky Skidmore Information Specialist CCOHTA Tel: (613) 226-2553, ext. 228 -----Original Message----- From: "listmaster" "mailto:listmaster" On Behalf Of "Kerry.Waylen" Sent: November 3, 2005 7:45 PM To: "RIS-List" Subject: <RefMan> Bibliography sorting Hello all I noted editors of books were not cited as (eds.) so I fixed this by personalising my bibliography style, for 'whole books', to cite (eds.) when I entered names in the secondary authors field. However, when I come to create the bibliography in author-date order, it lists books with editors out of order (as if they were anon). Does anyone know a way around this? This seems a fairly basic function. I previously used endnote and am beginning to think it is better! Kerry Kerry Waylen Research Assistant Botanic Gardens Conservation International Descano House 199 Kew Road Richmond, Surrey, TW9 3BW, UK www.bgci.org

RE: Bibliography sorting
Author: Becky Skidmore    Posted: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:10:00 -0800
I think I replied on this before, too. Depending on the output style you use and the way "editors" are identified in the bibliographic format, you can "fool" RM and put your editors in the primary author field [04]. We get round this by entering the appropriate Vancouver-based literal into the author field following the names of the editor(s) (=editor OR =editors). E.g., Altman DG, Machin D, Bryant TN, Gardner MJ, editors. Statistics with confidence: confidence intervals and statistical guidelines. 2nd ed. London: BMJ Books; 2000. Last JM, editor. A dictionary of epidemiology. 3rd ed. New York: Oxford University Press; 1995. This is how we do it. However, it would not work using styles like MLA where you PRECEDE the name(s) of the editors. Becky Skidmore Information Specialist CCOHTA Tel: (613) 226-2553, ext. 228 -----Original Message----- From: "listmaster" "mailto:listmaster" On Behalf Of "Sarah.Cage" Sent: November 8, 2005 7:30 PM To: "RIS-List" Subject: Re: <RefMan> Bibliography sorting This topic has been on the list before - the only solution which I have seen that would work without causing more problems is to create a new reference type for edited books (modify one of the types which you are never likely to want), and then use this type for all edited books, inserting the editors as authors. The work-around which I compromised on was to ignore the problem until the final draft, then remove the links to RM, and re-sort the bibliography. I couldn't face going through all the books on my database and revising the document type! It is caused by RM sorting on "authors 1" rather than "any authors". Hope you find a suitable solution Sarah Cage Senior Scientific Information Specialist NPIS (Birmingham Centre) UK e-mail: "s.cage" ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Kerry.Waylen???????????" <"Kerry.Waylen??????????? To: "RIS-List" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: <RefMan> Bibliography sorting > > Hello all > > I noted editors of books were not cited as (eds.) so I fixed this by > personalising my bibliography style, for 'whole books', to cite (eds.) > when I entered names in the secondary authors field. > > However, when I come to create the bibliography in author-date order, it > lists books with editors out of order (as if they were anon). > > Does anyone know a way around this? This seems a fairly basic function. > I previously used endnote and am beginning to think it is better! > > Kerry > > Kerry Waylen > Research Assistant > Botanic Gardens Conservation International Descano House > 199 Kew Road > Richmond, Surrey, TW9 3BW, UK > www.bgci.org > > > > >

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