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Author: Nancy M Hunter    Posted: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:35:00 -0800
Hi, I hope that this is ok to post this in this forum. If not I apologise - I'm sure that someone will keep me right! I've recently started using Reference Manager to try to organise my references for a potential PhD. So far I've been importing searches from PubMed which worked fine. I have two areas of questioning 1. I have a lot of books which I intend entering into the db to keep track of them. If I want to keep quotations from each book am I best to do one reference for the book with the quotations somewhere like a notes field - or should I make a new reference for each quotation. (Is there an easy way to get content in other than typing?) 2. I've tried to extract my search results from other sources without success - things like Ingenta connect. Is there somewhere I should be looking to learn how to do this easily. I hope that someone can make suggestions for how I should proceed as I'm eager to make best use of the programme. BTW - is there a dummies style guide other than the manual? Thanks for any help Nancy Hunter

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Author: Beutner Ulrich HCARE-KSSG-CHIR    Posted: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:40:00 -0800
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: "listmaster" > "mailto:listmaster" Auftrag von > Nancy.M.Hunter "nancyhunter" > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Dezember 2005 01:35 > An: "RIS-List" > Betreff: <RefMan> Basic question > > > > Hi, > > I hope that this is ok to post this in this forum. If not I apologise > - I'm sure that someone will keep me right! > > I've recently started using Reference Manager to try to organise my > references for a potential PhD. So far I've been importing searches > from PubMed which worked fine. I have two areas of questioning > > 1. I have a lot of books which I intend entering into the db to keep > track of them. If I want to keep quotations from each book am I best > to do one reference for the book with the quotations somewhere like a > notes field - or should I make a new reference for each quotation. (Is > there an easy way to get content in other than typing?) this depends on the field you are working in. In Science I would use the reference type Book chapter. If you need the Book or Book Chapter reference repeatedly with different page numbers, simply copy the reference and change the necessary data in the duplicate > > 2. I've tried to extract my search results from other sources without > success - things like Ingenta connect. Is there somewhere I should be > looking to learn how to do this easily. Books you can download using the Z39.50 protocol (option on the Internet search window) from an appropriate library (perhaps a suitable library catalogue is already in the list provided by Reference Manager). Otherwise you have to find out the settings for your desired library (and whether it offers that service at all). Many of the libraries in the Reference Manager list restrict access to local users by checking the IP number or asking for a password. Two libraries I found open are Boston University and Uni o Queensland, but there are certainly more. Second, the z39.50 protocol is an internet protocol like http using a dedicated "port", usually port 210. If you have a Firewall active (either locally on your PC or because you are in a closed network of a company or university) it might block traffic through this port (that is the purpose of a firewall). If your firewall is local, change the settings to open the port for the z39.50 protocol, otherwise you might have to ask your network administrator - usually they are not very happy to open ports. To make things even more complicated, a lot of libraries do not use the standard port 210 but any arbitrary other port number usually something high like 9900. Check the settings for a specific library (select internet in the search window, select z39.50 sites in the drop down menu to the left, click on the globe underneath, select the library of interest, click on the button configure hosts at the bottom of the window, click on your library, click on the button properties. A window will open, where you can find the port number (this is for RefMan 10, I don't know how this will work in Vers. 11)) to find out which port it is using and open the port in the firewall accordingly. (sorry, for this rather complicated explanation, unfortunately, while the z39.50 protocol should make it easier to access libraries using bibliographic programs, the ever increasing security concerns completely counteract this effort) > > I hope that someone can make suggestions for how I should proceed as > I'm eager to make best use of the programme. > > BTW - is there a dummies style guide other than the manual? Is the Output Style Wizard not sufficient? ;-) > > Thanks for any help > > Nancy Hunter > Ulrich Beutner Research Manager St. Gallen, Switzerland

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Author: Peter Malling    Posted: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:40:00 -0800
Hi Nancy This is to your first Q: > 1. I have a lot of books which I intend entering into the db to keep > track of them. If I want to keep quotations from each book am I best to > do one reference for the book with the quotations somewhere like a notes > field - or should I make a new reference for each quotation. (Is there > an easy way to get content in other than typing?) [PM] Reference Manager doesn't really have note management capabilities. That is, it won't handle separate notes, which you would like to treat as individual items that you can later re-arrange according to your writing needs (e.g. the outline for your thesis). You need other software for that. If you are looking for integration between your notes and bibliographic database, you might have a look on Biblioscape or Scholar's Aid. They have integrated note modules. However, these products don't seem to be as stable as RM, and they are, as far as I know, not good at downloading bibliographic data from the Internet, which I find crucial, as it will spare you a lot of typing and typing mistakes. Hence, you might want to combine your use of RM with some note management program. Evernote is free and quite useful, as it will let you tag (categorise) individual notes. It would, sure, be great, if RM had a note module, and folders to reflect your own structure - if it were more directed towards writing than running a library. Peter.

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Author: Peter Malling    Posted: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:45:00 -0800
Hi again, nancy, Follow-up to my previous posting: - You definitely don't want to enter a record for each note! One record per book (or per chapter in an edited book). - You can get records from libraries (books), by pressing F4, tick-mark "Internet Search" and select Z39.50 sites on the left. You can select other hosts by clicking the green globe on the left. Select at least library of congress, they have most of the stuff. Peter. > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > Fra: "listmaster" > "mailto:listmaster" På vegne af > "Nancy.M.Hunter" > Sendt: 6. december 2005 01:35 > Til: "RIS-List" > Emne: <RefMan> Basic question > > > Hi, > > I hope that this is ok to post this in this forum. If not I apologise > - I'm sure that someone will keep me right! > > I've recently started using Reference Manager to try to organise my > references for a potential PhD. So far I've been importing searches > from PubMed which worked fine. I have two areas of questioning > > 1. I have a lot of books which I intend entering into the db to keep > track of them. If I want to keep quotations from each book am I best > to do one reference for the book with the quotations somewhere like a > notes field - or should I make a new reference for each quotation. (Is > there an easy way to get content in other than typing?) > > 2. I've tried to extract my search results from other sources without > success - things like Ingenta connect. Is there somewhere I should be > looking to learn how to do this easily. > > I hope that someone can make suggestions for how I should proceed as > I'm eager to make best use of the programme. > > BTW - is there a dummies style guide other than the manual? > > Thanks for any help > > Nancy Hunter

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