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Output Styles
Author: Geoff Gwillym    Posted: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:01:53 -0000
Does anyone have a complete list of output styles on a cd rom that I van have?

Output Styles
Author: Popham, Karyn    Posted: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:35:22 -0600
The discussion of output styles overlooks an essential point: in biomedicine (which certainly includes neurology!), the problem of "It would take years, if ever, to get all publishers to accept a small subset of reference styles for all journals." has essentially been solved. It's called Uniform Style for Submission of Manuscripts to Biomedical Journals. The current version is always at http://www.icmje.org (The International Committee of Medical Journal Editors). 95% of all journals in biomedicine have signed on to Uniform Style. They may not tell you that explicitly, but the odds are they have. One clue: if they have adopted the ICMJE rules on authorship. Most researchers don't seem to even realize where those rules come from... Journals that have signed on to Uniform Style not only will accept Uniform Style, they are required to accept it in preference to their own. Uniform Style is easily converted by their copy-editor into any other known style. It is extremely close to AMA and NLM--and, indeed, JAMA has signed on to Uniform Style, so you don't need AMA style for AMA journals! The only exceptions to the rule that Uniform Style is acceptable that I have found are (a) psychology journals, which follow APA, which is treated entirely differently in the text (it is an author-date system, not numerical) as well as in the reference list (b) journals which are in essence asking authors to do the typesetting; this is particularly true of on-line journals It makes no sense to me that BioMed Central journals do not simply use Uniform Style. The differences, fortunately, are trivial in terms of the programming required (for instance, making article titles bold). Indeed, some of the BioMed Central journals not only encourage use of RefMan 10 but at least one gives you a substantial discount on the article processing charges if you do so! I would strongly suggest that anyone in biomed READ the Uniform Style for Submission of Manuscripts to Biomedical Journals document (URL above). It is not just a reference style, but the official rules regarding who may and may not be an author and other rather more important issues than whether there are periods after initials. <g> Do NOT try to replicate a journal's printed style in your paper manuscript. It actually makes the copy editor's job harder, not easier--particularly if they are still typesetting things from hard copy. The exception, as noted, is electronically published journals. Cheers, Karyn Popham Houston, Texas

Re: Output Styles
Author: Lee Lim    Posted: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:25:47 +1100
Dear Karyn, It is certainly encouraging to know that the community is working towards a unified style. Until "the" day, reference managers and authors still need to live with diverse requirements not only of biomedical journals but also of journals of other disciplines apart from online publications. Regards, Yours sincerely, Chong Lee Lim, B.E., Ph.D. Department of Neurology Westmead Hospital Westmead NSW 2145 Australia Email: Phone: +61 2 9845 6834 Fax: +61 2 9635 6684 >>> 01/27/04 05:35AM >>> The discussion of output styles overlooks an essential point: in biomedicine (which certainly includes neurology!), the problem of "It would take years, if ever, to get all publishers to accept a small subset of reference styles for all journals." has essentially been solved. It's called Uniform Style for Submission of Manuscripts to Biomedical Journals. The current version is always at http://www.icmje.org (The International Committee of Medical Journal Editors). 95% of all journals in biomedicine have signed on to Uniform Style. They may not tell you that explicitly, but the odds are they have. One clue: if they have adopted the ICMJE rules on authorship. Most researchers don't seem to even realize where those rules come from... Journals that have signed on to Uniform Style not only will accept Uniform Style, they are required to accept it in preference to their own. Uniform Style is easily converted by their copy-editor into any other known style. It is extremely close to AMA and NLM--and, indeed, JAMA has signed on to Uniform Style, so you don't need AMA style for AMA journals! The only exceptions to the rule that Uniform Style is acceptable that I have found are (a) psychology journals, which follow APA, which is treated entirely differently in the text (it is an author-date system, not numerical) as well as in the reference list (b) journals which are in essence asking authors to do the typesetting; this is particularly true of on-line journals It makes no sense to me that BioMed Central journals do not simply use Uniform Style. The differences, fortunately, are trivial in terms of the programming required (for instance, making article titles bold). Indeed, some of the BioMed Central journals not only encourage use of RefMan 10 but at least one gives you a substantial discount on the article processing charges if you do so! I would strongly suggest that anyone in biomed READ the Uniform Style for Submission of Manuscripts to Biomedical Journals document (URL above). It is not just a reference style, but the official rules regarding who may and may not be an author and other rather more important issues than whether there are periods after initials. <g> Do NOT try to replicate a journal's printed style in your paper manuscript. It actually makes the copy editor's job harder, not easier--particularly if they are still typesetting things from hard copy. The exception, as noted, is electronically published journals. Cheers, Karyn Popham Houston, Texas __________________________________________________________________ This electronic message and any attachments may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this message would you please delete the message and any attachments and advise the sender. Western Sydney Area Health Services (WSAHS) uses virus scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any email or attachment. This email may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this email is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify WSAHS immediately. Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual sender except where the sender expressly and with authority states them to be the views of WSAHS. ________________________________________________________________________

RE: Output Styles
Author: Gary Novack    Posted: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:53:01 -0800
Karen, from your mouth to the publisher's ears! Gary Novack -----Original Message----- From: /> On Behalf Of Popham, Karyn Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:35 AM To: /> Subject: <RefMan> Output Styles The discussion of output styles overlooks an essential point: in biomedicine (which certainly includes neurology!), the problem of "It would take years, if ever, to get all publishers to accept a small subset of reference styles for all journals." has essentially been solved. It's called Uniform Style for Submission of Manuscripts to Biomedical Journals. The current version is always at http://www.icmje.org (The International Committee of Medical Journal Editors). 95% of all journals in biomedicine have signed on to Uniform Style. They may not tell you that explicitly, but the odds are they have. One clue: if they have adopted the ICMJE rules on authorship. Most researchers don't seem to even realize where those rules come from... Journals that have signed on to Uniform Style not only will accept Uniform Style, they are required to accept it in preference to their own. Uniform Style is easily converted by their copy-editor into any other known style. It is extremely close to AMA and NLM--and, indeed, JAMA has signed on to Uniform Style, so you don't need AMA style for AMA journals! The only exceptions to the rule that Uniform Style is acceptable that I have found are (a) psychology journals, which follow APA, which is treated entirely differently in the text (it is an author-date system, not numerical) as well as in the reference list (b) journals which are in essence asking authors to do the typesetting; this is particularly true of on-line journals It makes no sense to me that BioMed Central journals do not simply use Uniform Style. The differences, fortunately, are trivial in terms of the programming required (for instance, making article titles bold). Indeed, some of the BioMed Central journals not only encourage use of RefMan 10 but at least one gives you a substantial discount on the article processing charges if you do so! I would strongly suggest that anyone in biomed READ the Uniform Style for Submission of Manuscripts to Biomedical Journals document (URL above). It is not just a reference style, but the official rules regarding who may and may not be an author and other rather more important issues than whether there are periods after initials. <g> Do NOT try to replicate a journal's printed style in your paper manuscript. It actually makes the copy editor's job harder, not easier--particularly if they are still typesetting things from hard copy. The exception, as noted, is electronically published journals. Cheers, Karyn Popham Houston, Texas

Re: Output Styles
Author: Jfwoodru    Posted: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:15:27 -0600
As always, Karyn's comments are instructive and helpful - I welcome her back to the forum. I think the most important thing she said is that 95% of the time, the Uniform Style is fine for submitting to journals, even if the Author's Instructions for that journal show otherwise. That will save a lot of us a lot of time and effort. I must admit, being the anal person that I am, that I kind of enjoyed tailoring my output styles to match the journal specifications exactly. But that's me, and an entirely different issue! Jeanie Woodruff Department of Symptom Research The University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center Houston, Texas 713-745-1981 "Popham, Karyn" To: Sent by: cc: 01/26/2004 12:35 PM Please respond to ris-list Subject: <RefMan> Output Styles The discussion of output styles overlooks an essential point: in biomedicine (which certainly includes neurology!), the problem of "It would take years, if ever, to get all publishers to accept a small subset of reference styles for all journals." has essentially been solved. It's called Uniform Style for Submission of Manuscripts to Biomedical Journals. The current version is always at http://www.icmje.org (The International Committee of Medical Journal Editors). 95% of all journals in biomedicine have signed on to Uniform Style. They may not tell you that explicitly, but the odds are they have. One clue: if they have adopted the ICMJE rules on authorship. Most researchers don't seem to even realize where those rules come from... Journals that have signed on to Uniform Style not only will accept Uniform Style, they are required to accept it in preference to their own. Uniform Style is easily converted by their copy-editor into any other known style. It is extremely close to AMA and NLM--and, indeed, JAMA has signed on to Uniform Style, so you don't need AMA style for AMA journals! The only exceptions to the rule that Uniform Style is acceptable that I have found are (a) psychology journals, which follow APA, which is treated entirely differently in the text (it is an author-date system, not numerical) as well as in the reference list (b) journals which are in essence asking authors to do the typesetting; this is particularly true of on-line journals It makes no sense to me that BioMed Central journals do not simply use Uniform Style. The differences, fortunately, are trivial in terms of the programming required (for instance, making article titles bold). Indeed, some of the BioMed Central journals not only encourage use of RefMan 10 but at least one gives you a substantial discount on the article processing charges if you do so! I would strongly suggest that anyone in biomed READ the Uniform Style for Submission of Manuscripts to Biomedical Journals document (URL above). It is not just a reference style, but the official rules regarding who may and may not be an author and other rather more important issues than whether there are periods after initials. <g> Do NOT try to replicate a journal's printed style in your paper manuscript. It actually makes the copy editor's job harder, not easier--particularly if they are still typesetting things from hard copy. The exception, as noted, is electronically published journals. Cheers, Karyn Popham Houston, Texas

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