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Author: Sigrun Klara Hannesdottir    Posted: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:42:22 GMT
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:42:22 GMT Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Sigrun Klara Hannesdottir Subject: Procite databases on WWW To Procite users: Has anybody tried to put databases in Procite on WWW? We have a lot of databases that have been created in Procite form. There is now serious interest in making them available on the University network through the University's homepage. Any suggestions? Sigrun Klara Hannesdottir *************************************************************************** Dr. Sigrun Klara Hannesdottir, professor Faculty of Social Science Tel: 525-4507 University of Iceland Fax: 552-6806 101 Reykjavik - Email: Iceland ****************************************************************************

Re: Procite databases on WWW
Author: Hernando Flores    Posted: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:23:10 -0300
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:23:10 -0300 Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Hernando Flores Subject: Re: Procite databases on WWW At 10:42 06/03/1996 GMT, you wrote: >To Procite users: > >Has anybody tried to put databases in Procite on WWW? We have a lot of >databases that have been created in Procite form. There is now serious >interest in making them available on the University network through the >University's homepage. > >Any suggestions? > >Sigrun Klara Hannesdottir Yes! And it is extremely simple. Just create a - say - /PROCITE/ subdirectory on your FTP site (the directory where your webpages are). Place your compressed ProCite databases on that subdirectory. If you wish to be fancy, create an INDEX.HTML file on that directory, with links to the appropriate databases. Or just use the default index.html wich provides the links automatically. Finally, include this link in your opening homepage. There are many programs to make the transfers between your HD and your FTP subdirectory. I use WS_FTP and have no complaints about it. It is easier and quicker to use than CUTEFTP and SAFEFTP, probably because it is more DOS-oriented that FILE MANAGER-oriented. Tell me if this worked, or why it didn't! Feedbacks are the best source of Internet and computer knowledge... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hernando Flores Universidade Federal de Pernambuco, Departamento de Nutricao http://www.truenet.com.br/ufpe.nutricao/ Laboratorio de Bioquimica da Nutricao http://www.truenet.com.br/ufpe.nutricao/lbqn/ Cidade Universit=E1ria, Recife, PE, Brasil - 50670-901 Tel 55-81-271.8470 - Fax 55-81.271.8473 http://www.truenet.com.br/nutricao.ufpe/lbqn/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Re: Procite databases on WWW
Author: Nancy Penn    Posted: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:44:42 -0700
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:44:42 -0700 Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Nancy Penn Subject: Re: Procite databases on WWW In Procite, do you save your files as text only? Don't you need line= breaks??? I have been putting files in WWW, but find I first have to go thru Word to save the documents as text only with line breaks. Otherwise it cuts off in the middle of a word. I have 12 files that I put on WWW, but I am using Gopher search. Do you have a search routine, so users can find a particular record? >At 10:42 06/03/1996 GMT, you wrote: >>To Procite users: >> >>Has anybody tried to put databases in Procite on WWW? We have a lot of >>databases that have been created in Procite form. There is now serious >>interest in making them available on the University network through the >>University's homepage. >> >>Any suggestions? >> >>Sigrun Klara Hannesdottir > >Yes! And it is extremely simple. Just create a - say - /PROCITE/ >subdirectory on your FTP site (the directory where your webpages are).= Place >your compressed ProCite databases on that subdirectory. If you wish to be >fancy, create an INDEX.HTML file on that directory, with links to the >appropriate databases. Or just use the default index.html wich provides the >links automatically. Finally, include this link in your opening homepage. >There are many programs to make the transfers between your HD and your FTP >subdirectory. I use WS_FTP and have no complaints about it. It is easier= and >quicker to use than CUTEFTP and SAFEFTP, probably because it is more >DOS-oriented that FILE MANAGER-oriented. > >Tell me if this worked, or why it didn't! Feedbacks are the best source of >Internet and computer knowledge... > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Hernando Flores > Universidade Federal de Pernambuco, Departamento de Nutricao > http://www.truenet.com.br/ufpe.nutricao/ > Laboratorio de Bioquimica da Nutricao > http://www.truenet.com.br/ufpe.nutricao/lbqn/ > Cidade Universit=E1ria, Recife, PE, Brasil - 50670-901 > Tel 55-81-271.8470 - Fax 55-81.271.8473 > http://www.truenet.com.br/nutricao.ufpe/lbqn/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Nancy Penn - - University of Arizona/CCIT/User= Support

Re: Procite databases on WWW
Author: Ardis Hanson ADM    Posted: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:37:37 -0500
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:37:37 -0500 Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Ardis Hanson ADM Subject: Re: Procite databases on WWW > I have been putting files in WWW, but find I first have to go thru Word to > save the documents as text only with line breaks. Otherwise it cuts off in > the middle of a word. I have 12 files that I put on WWW, but I am using > Gopher search. Do you have a search routine, so users can find a particular > record? -------------------------------------------------- Nancy Another option is to export the files into a searchable database. We mounted a Pro-Cite database with over 5,000 records on it last year that is searchable through the Web. To look at the design and software used, go to http://www.fmhi.usf.edu/libdemo.html. To look at the search engine, go to http://www.fmhi.usf.edu/retriever.html We exported Pro-Cite files into a tab delimited format and used Postgres to mount it and make it searchable on the web. The program and code for the page we developed is available off the Postgres site maintained at Berkeley. All we ask is if people use our code, they credit us with a byline. This format has worked well for us and we plan to mount four other special topic databases by the end of March. Ardis Florida Mental Health Institute Research Library at the University of South Florida > >At 10:42 06/03/1996 GMT, you wrote: > >>To Procite users: > >> > >>Has anybody tried to put databases in Procite on WWW? We have a lot of > >>databases that have been created in Procite form. There is now serious > >>interest in making them available on the University network through the > >>University's homepage.

Procite databases on WWW
Author: Laura Baird    Posted: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:11:00 EST
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:11:00 EST Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Laura Baird Subject: Procite databases on WWW How are people dealing with the copyright compliance regulations of their Pro-Cite databases and posting them on the WWW? Are people putting up author abstracts? What about Pro-Cite databases that have been created from downloaded online searches?

Re: Procite databases on WWW
Author: Theo Haynes    Posted: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:05:41 -0500
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:05:41 -0500 Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Theo Haynes Subject: Re: Procite databases on WWW At the Robeson Library, Rutgers University, Camden, NJ, we too are interested in mounting Procite created databases on our WWW home page, so please post responses concerning this topic to the list. Thanks, Theo Haynes

Re: Procite databases on WWW
Author: Ardis Hanson ADM    Posted: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:02:51 -0500
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 16:02:51 -0500 Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Ardis Hanson ADM Subject: Re: Procite databases on WWW I would like to extend my apologies for the problems people have experienced using our Pro-Cite database on the Web. Our server went down and the self-loading protocol didn't. The page is now back up and working. A more advanced version of the page is available at http://www.fmhi.usf.edu/retriever2.html Ardis Florida Mental Health Institute Research Library at the Unversity of South Florida

Re: Procite databases on WWW
Author: Scott Campbell    Posted: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:39:30 -1000
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:39:30 -1000 Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Scott Campbell Organization: University of Hawaii Subject: Re: Procite databases on WWW > How are people dealing with the copyright compliance regulations of their > Pro-Cite databases and posting them on the WWW? Excellent issue and one which has prevented a lot of databases from being distributed beyond specific offices or groups. Many abstracting services do not use author's abstracts but use their own paid abstractors -- which is why they are also some of the most expensive services. -- I. Scott Campbell, Ph.D. Univ. of Hawaii at Manoa Crop Management Infor. Spec. 1910 East-West Rd. Dept. of Agronomy & Soil Sci. Honolulu, HI 96822 Email: >> All Standard Disclaimers Apply <<

Re: Procite databases on WWW
Author: Bob Carlson    Posted: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:33:28 -0500
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:33:28 -0500 Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Bob Carlson Subject: Re: Procite databases on WWW In-Reply-To: On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Laura Baird wrote: > How are people dealing with the copyright compliance regulations of their > Pro-Cite databases and posting them on the WWW? > > Are people putting up author abstracts? > > What about Pro-Cite databases that have been created from downloaded online > searches? My hunch would be that it hasn't been given a lot of thought. It surely is an interesting question, especially for someone working for the Federal Government. At what point is the information that gets downloaded from an online source (most of mine came from Agricola anyhow, and those aren't copyrighted) no longer attributable to the source. If you do things like correcting misspellings (or adding some), correcting or standardizing journal titles, annotating, etc., is it then your own piece of information? And didn't the online sources just copy it from the journal or other original source in the first place? Bob Carlson

Re: Procite databases on WWW
Author: Hernando Flores    Posted: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:14:51 -0300
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:14:51 -0300 Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Hernando Flores Subject: Re: Procite databases on WWW At 08:44 06/03/1996 -0700, Nancy wrote: >In Procite, do you save your files as text only? Don't you need line breaks??? > >I have been putting files in WWW, but find I first have to go thru Word to >save the documents as text only with line breaks. Otherwise it cuts off in >the middle of a word. I have 12 files that I put on WWW, but I am using >Gopher search. Do you have a search routine, so users can find a particular >record? If that question is for me, what I place on the FTP site is the entire database in ProCite format. I understood that that was the question asked. If you use text format, you would need something like poor ill-treated askSam, because a ProCite-text output is not a database in itself, just a text document. You'd need to convert this into a test-oriented database (askSam is just an "educated guess"). As for a search routine, my understanding is that you'd need to ask PBS, because the search routine would need ProCite capabilities. As for word-breaks, I have never seen those on my *.txt outputs... when ProCite outputs text, it automatically feeds line breaks at the END of words when they get near the line width you selected... That wasn't very helpful, was it? hernando flores.

Re: Procite databases on WWW
Author: Hernando Flores    Posted: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:14:55 -0300
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:14:55 -0300 Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Hernando Flores Subject: Re: Procite databases on WWW At 17:11 06/03/1996 EST, you wrote: >How are people dealing with the copyright compliance regulations of their >Pro-Cite databases and posting them on the WWW? > >Are people putting up author abstracts? I understand that it is the full article which is copyright protected. You normally do not ask for permission from the copyright owner to make a bibliographic list, do you? Or am I wrong? hernando flores

Re: Procite databases on WWW - COpyright issues
Author: Ardis Hanson ADM    Posted: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:21:23 -0500
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 08:21:23 -0500 Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Ardis Hanson ADM Subject: Re: Procite databases on WWW - COpyright issues The bibliographic information (Author, journal, title, pagination, volume,issue and the corresponding for books) is generally considered as data, not as enhancements. Abstracts that are taken from another source must have permisssion to be used since they are considered "added-value" enhancements. Journals and abstracting sources "own" those abstracts and it is best to ask permisssion to use the abstracts or specialised vocabulary if you plan use those in the mounted db as well. If you write the abstract yourself, that's another matter.

Re: Procite databases on WWW - COpyright issues
Author: Hernando Flores    Posted: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:51:09 -0300
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 15:51:09 -0300 Reply-To: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PRO-CITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Hernando Flores Subject: Re: Procite databases on WWW - COpyright issues At 08:21 07/03/1996 -0500, Ardis Hanson wrote: >The bibliographic information (Author, journal, title, pagination, volume,issue >and the corresponding for books) is generally considered as data, not as >enhancements. > >Abstracts that are taken from another source must have permisssion to be used >since they are considered "added-value" enhancements. Journals and abstracting >sources "own" those abstracts and it is best to ask permisssion to use the >abstracts or specialised vocabulary if you plan use those in the mounted db as >well. > >If you write the abstract yourself, that's another matter. Just to check if I got this straight: 1. I can distribute, even through the web, lists of references (in any format) provided that they have no abstracts. 2. to distribute references with abstracts, I'd need permission from the abstracting source. Is that correct? I knew that figures, illustrations and tables were copyright-protected. I didn't know about abstracts. Even if you quote the source? So, many thanks for the tip! Many sci journals say that you can use their stuff as long as you say where it came from. hernando flores.

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