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Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Wallace J Gingerich    Posted: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:09:19 -0500
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:09:19 -0500 Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: "Wallace J. Gingerich" Subject: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: <000201be4ef7$57317420$24b7d084@DUCL0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm new to the list, so please forgive me if this question has already been addressed. Is there a way to customize the toolbars, or shortcut keys, so I can open the New Record window with one click of the mouse (as the F9 key now does)? I'd also like to have a toolbar icon (or shortcut key) to save a new record and close the New Record window. I'm using ProCite 4.03 for the PC. Thanks for your suggestions. ------------------------ Wallace J. Gingerich, Professor Mandel School of Applied Social Sciences Case Western Reserve University http://www.gingerich.net ICQ: 17294594

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Mary McCreadie    Posted: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:59:04 -0600
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:59:04 -0600 Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Mary McCreadie Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: <000001be4fa8$036fa120$20b7d084@DUCL0> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:04 AM 19990203 -0800, Laurent Duchastel de Montrouge wrote: >> I'm new to the list, so please forgive me if this question >> has already been addressed. >> >> Is there a way to customize the toolbars, or shortcut keys, >> so I can open the New Record window with one click of the >> mouse (as the F9 key now does)? > This seems more like a loss of functionality, since f9 was a _feature_ in 3.1. Has anyone asked RIS about it? We haven't upgraded to 4 yet, and y'all are making me nervous. Mary Mary McCreadie Transportation Library Northwestern University

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Wallace J Gingerich    Posted: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:47:26 -0500
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:47:26 -0500 Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: "Wallace J. Gingerich" Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: <000001be4fa8$036fa120$20b7d084@DUCL0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your response. I'll submit the suggestion to ProCite. Wally ------------------------ Wallace J. Gingerich, Professor Mandel School of Applied Social Sciences Case Western Reserve University http://www.gingerich.net ICQ: 17294594

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Wallace J Gingerich    Posted: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:49:22 -0500
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:49:22 -0500 Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: "Wallace J. Gingerich" Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mary, The F9 key still opens up the New Record window. I was hoping to have an icon on the toolbar to do the same thing. Wally ------------------------ Wallace J. Gingerich, Professor Mandel School of Applied Social Sciences Case Western Reserve University http://www.gingerich.net ICQ: 17294594 > -----Original Message----- > From: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List > Behalf Of Mary McCreadie > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 12:59 PM > To: > Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 > > > At 11:04 AM 19990203 -0800, Laurent Duchastel de Montrouge wrote: > >> I'm new to the list, so please forgive me if this question > >> has already been addressed. > >> > >> Is there a way to customize the toolbars, or shortcut keys, > >> so I can open the New Record window with one click of the > >> mouse (as the F9 key now does)? > > > > This seems more like a loss of functionality, since f9 was > a _feature_ in 3.1. > Has anyone asked RIS about it? > > We haven't upgraded to 4 yet, and y'all are making me nervous. > > Mary > > > Mary McCreadie > Transportation Library > Northwestern University > >

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Laurent Duchastel De Montrouge    Posted: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:04:23 -0800
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:04:23 -0800 Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Laurent Duchastel de Montrouge Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm new to the list, so please forgive me if this question > has already been addressed. > > Is there a way to customize the toolbars, or shortcut keys, > so I can open the New Record window with one click of the > mouse (as the F9 key now does)? Configurable keyboard is supposed to be in the suggestion database of ProCite programmers. I don't remember if customizable toolbars have been officially suggested, but you should As I've been informed recently by RIS staff that a version 5.0 is on the way (no delivery target date announced), I believe we'll have to wait until then to be able to enhance ProCite interface. As for now, you can still customize your keyboard or mouse by using external macro keyboard/mouse utilities. I don't use any one, so I cannot tell you which one is the best. Check at http://softseek.com/Utilities/Keyboard_Mouse_Macros_and_Batch_Processing/ and find the one the best suit you. Good luck Laurent DUCHASTEL DE MONTROUGE Director Business Summer Schools Center for International Cooperation Department of Administrative Sciences University of Quebec at Montreal (UQAM) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Tel: (514) 987-3000, ext. 6527 Fax: (514) 987-6625 email: Web: http://www.er.uqam.ca/nobel/k16210

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Myron Molnau    Posted: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:41:57 -0800
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:41:57 -0800 Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Myron Molnau Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Having an icon is a loss of functionality as someone wrote. If I am typing in references, then the last thing I want to do is get my hands up off the keyboard. I have noticed a tendency for many programs to drop keyboard shortcuts although some keep them, they just don't tell you that they are available. Windows seems worse in this regard than Mac programs but they are all a problem. Myron At 01:49 PM 2/3/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Mary, > >The F9 key still opens up the New Record window. I was >hoping to have an icon on the toolbar to do the same >thing. > >Wally > >------------------------ >Wallace J. Gingerich, Professor >Mandel School of Applied Social Sciences >Case Western Reserve University >http://www.gingerich.net >ICQ: 17294594 > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List >> Behalf Of Mary McCreadie >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 12:59 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 >> >> >> At 11:04 AM 19990203 -0800, Laurent Duchastel de Montrouge wrote: >> >> I'm new to the list, so please forgive me if this question >> >> has already been addressed. >> >> >> >> Is there a way to customize the toolbars, or shortcut keys, >> >> so I can open the New Record window with one click of the >> >> mouse (as the F9 key now does)? >> > >> >> This seems more like a loss of functionality, since f9 was >> a _feature_ in 3.1. >> Has anyone asked RIS about it? >> >> We haven't upgraded to 4 yet, and y'all are making me nervous. >> >> Mary >> >> >> Mary McCreadie >> Transportation Library >> Northwestern University >> >> > > /\ /\ /\ / \ / \ /\ /\/\/\/\/\/ \/\/ \/\/ \/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\++ Myron Molnau 208-885-6184 Climate Lab 208-885-7004 State Climate Services http://www.uidaho.edu/~climate Biological & Agricultural Engineering Dept 208-885-7908 fax 425 Engineering/Physics Bldg University of Idaho Moscow,Idaho 83844-0904 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Luis Nadeau    Posted: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:53:04 -0400
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:53:04 -0400 Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Luis Nadeau Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:41 PM -0800 99/2/3, Myron Molnau wrote: >Having an icon is a loss of functionality as someone wrote. If I am typing >in references, then the last thing I want to do is get my hands up off the >keyboard. I have noticed a tendency for many programs to drop keyboard >shortcuts although some keep them, they just don't tell you that they are >available. Windows seems worse in this regard than Mac programs but they >are all a problem. I have to agree with Myron here. Something as commonly used as New Record *MUST HAVE* a keyboard shortcut. All the other databases I have used have one. Typically Command R or Command I (insert) on the Mac. Luis Nadeau Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada http://www3.nbnet.nb.ca/nadeaul/

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Laurent Duchastel De Montrouge    Posted: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:51:16 -0800
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:51:16 -0800 Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Laurent Duchastel de Montrouge Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > This seems more like a loss of functionality, since f9 was a > _feature_ in 3.1. > Has anyone asked RIS about it? > > We haven't upgraded to 4 yet, and y'all are making me nervous. A lot of people, including myself, made some harsh comments on ProCite 4.x over the last months, but it doesn't mean the product is not good. What happened is that user's expectations were quite high and very different from what they actually got when the upgrade was released. ProCite 4.x is overall a good product, and for any first-time user working on Win95 or Mac, it should run just fine. So don't be so nervous. This said, long-time users who know their 3.x version quite well and have developed reflexes or tricks in the daily use of ProCite may find an upgrade to 4.x less attractive than it was supposed to be. Considering the high upgrade fee of 70$ per license, the few bells and whistles added to the 4.x version ProCite might not be sufficient for a limited budget. Many features are still missing, and only few ones have been added. Upgrading is quite easy and painless, but like any upgrade, you must ask yourself "do I REALLY need it?". I mean, I know people who are more productive with WordPerfect 5.1 DOS running on a Pentium than other people using the latest version of Word2000... Focus on the task, not on the tool. Upgrading to 4.x can also create some compatibility headaches if data is shared between different users with different ProCite versions, or performance headaches if the computer or the operating system is rather old: - ProCite Win4.x runs only on Win95/98. RIS has stopped the development of any Win 3.x version. - Like any Win95 program, ProCite Win4.x needs a good and fast processor to run smoothly - There are differences in file formats between ProCite 3.x, ProCite 4.0/4.01 and ProCite 4.03. Changing the format upward once is painless, going back and forth between different versions is supposed to be a problem (you have to export each time to an ANSI file, thus losing all Set/Group and all formatting). - The ProCite Mac4.x version file format is only compatible with Win 4.03 versions - Integration with other software than MS-Office may vary in quality between Procite versions (especially with Corel WordPerfect). For example, as long as CWYW feature is involved, latest version 4.03 is supposed to be incompatible with latest Service Pack 5 of Corel). My advice would be the following: if you have no financial or technical constraints (hardware or data sharing), or if you are a new user to ProCite, the 4.x version should be just what you need. However, if you have constraints of any kind, if all your programs are just running fine together at present, and if you have no time or money to spend for "trying an new upgrade", my advice would be to wait for a next major release. The version 5.x is "supposed to be" on its way with major enhancements based on users wishes. However, I have no idea whatsoever when the 5.x version will be release (months ? years ? maybe next millenium 8-). RIS don't even want to announce it officially, fearing "competition"... FIY, here "my version" of changes of WinProCite version since 3.x. I let you judge if it worth the upgrade according to your specific needs. New 4.00 ---------------------------- - New file format (suppose to be more efficient ?) - Windows 95 Features (Biggest change in the upgrade but basically a neat interface with some nice-but-not-so-astounding additions, some file management enhancement and right-click context menu) - Better importing or converting of data (basically integrating Bibliolink and better support for ANSI importation, but still difficult to use for average user) - Minor “Cite While You Write” enhancements and update for newest versions of wordprocessors - Minor changes and additions to workforms and output styles (nice for new users, but since many long-time users actually created their own workforms and output styles, this might be of little value for them.) - Attaching Files/URLs (basically a link/shortcut to other documents or Web pages) - Configurable "Searching For Duplicates" (nice addition, but not used every day) - Additional custom sorts options - Minor enhancement to the Set feature (now called "Group", but basically same thing) - Minor enhancement to output style control New to 4.01 ---------------------------- - Some minor fixes and changes over the previous release (minor bugs, installation routine enhancement, new default settings, remembering previous settings, conversion addition, stuff like that). Basically a maintenance release. There was no 4.02 ---------------------------- New to 4.03 ---------------------------- - New file format with the intend of: - Directly Share Files with ProCite for the Macintosh - Smaller Database Files - Convert Reference Manager or EndNote Files - Link to a PubMed Record - International Sorting (it now bypass Windows Control Panel, maybe good or bad depending of your needs) - Substantial changes and additions to workforms and output styles - Alphabetical Characters in Record Numbers I still use ProCite 3.x for my personal use at home, but I sometime use ProCite 4.03 at work. Version 4.03 is nice and I would upgrade to it at home (now that I bought a new computer) if the upgrade fee was not so high. But because it is, I found yet no real incentive to upgrade. And I am still waiting for some long-time requested features... Hope it'll help. Regards Laurent DUCHASTEL DE MONTROUGE Director Business Summer Schools Center for International Cooperation Department of Administrative Sciences University of Quebec at Montreal (UQAM) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Tel: (514) 987-3000, ext. 6527 Fax: (514) 987-6625 email: Web: http://www.er.uqam.ca/nobel/k16210

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: STANLEY: Dr Philip    Posted: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 07:07:16 -0000
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 07:07:16 -0000 Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: "STANLEY: Dr Philip" Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When using any Windows programme the use of the keyboard is much faster than using a mouse where one has to take ones hands from the keyboard, find the mouse and then find the relevant ikon or item to click on, then put the mouse down and resume at the keyboard. I agree that keyboard strokes are often not well documented and one has to remember them. However if you are a frequent user the latter should not greatly tax one's brains ! ******************************************************************** Dr Philip Stanley Email: Tel: +44 1223-460888 FAX: +44 1223-461777 Cambridge Research & Technology Transfer Ltd 48 Glisson Road Cambridge CB1 2HF England ******************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List On Behalf Of Myron Molnau Sent: 03 February 1999 20:42 To: Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 Having an icon is a loss of functionality as someone wrote. If I am typing in references, then the last thing I want to do is get my hands up off the keyboard. I have noticed a tendency for many programs to drop keyboard shortcuts although some keep them, they just don't tell you that they are available. Windows seems worse in this regard than Mac programs but they are all a problem. Myron At 01:49 PM 2/3/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Mary, > >The F9 key still opens up the New Record window. I was >hoping to have an icon on the toolbar to do the same >thing. > >Wally > >------------------------ >Wallace J. Gingerich, Professor >Mandel School of Applied Social Sciences >Case Western Reserve University >http://www.gingerich.net >ICQ: 17294594 > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List >> Behalf Of Mary McCreadie >> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 12:59 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 >> >> >> At 11:04 AM 19990203 -0800, Laurent Duchastel de Montrouge wrote: >> >> I'm new to the list, so please forgive me if this question >> >> has already been addressed. >> >> >> >> Is there a way to customize the toolbars, or shortcut keys, >> >> so I can open the New Record window with one click of the >> >> mouse (as the F9 key now does)? >> > >> >> This seems more like a loss of functionality, since f9 was >> a _feature_ in 3.1. >> Has anyone asked RIS about it? >> >> We haven't upgraded to 4 yet, and y'all are making me nervous. >> >> Mary >> >> >> Mary McCreadie >> Transportation Library >> Northwestern University >> >> > > /\ /\ /\ / \ / \ /\ /\/\/\/\/\/ \/\/ \/\/ \/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\++ Myron Molnau 208-885-6184 Climate Lab 208-885-7004 State Climate Services http://www.uidaho.edu/~climate Biological & Agricultural Engineering Dept 208-885-7908 fax 425 Engineering/Physics Bldg University of Idaho Moscow,Idaho 83844-0904 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Charles Roth    Posted: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:57:14 +0100
Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" at 7:07 +0000 on 2/4/99 Philip Stanley wrote : >When using any Windows programme the use of the keyboard is much faster than >using a mouse where one has to take ones hands from the keyboard, find the >mouse and then find the relevant ikon or item to click on, then put the >mouse down and resume at the keyboard. > >I agree that keyboard strokes are often not well documented and one has to >remember them. However if you are a frequent user the latter should not >greatly tax one's brains ! > > >******************************************************************** >Dr Philip Stanley > >Email: >Tel: +44 1223-460888 >FAX: +44 1223-461777 > >Cambridge Research & Technology Transfer Ltd >48 Glisson Road >Cambridge CB1 2HF >England > >******************************************************************** I too find fault with icons all over the screen, but I'm a firm believer in "different strokes for different folks." Keyboard shortcut are faster for some, menus are better for others and icons please another group. As long as each group can use the technique that works for them, don't complain about the other techniques. All this is to say that it isn't correct to replace keyboard shortcuts with icons when, at least on a Mac - I've never programed for Windows, it is so easy to include keyboard shortcuts and have the shortcut shown in the menu. Charlie Roth

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Wallace J Gingerich    Posted: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:22:47 -0500
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:22:47 -0500 Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: "Wallace J. Gingerich" Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks like I started quite a discussion! Actually, what I was really hoping for was some way to customize the toolbars, as in the Microsoft Office products, so the user could adapt the program to his or her own habits. I personally find that I increasingly use the mouse to navigate within a software package, and use the keyboard mainly for data entry. This works for me, but obviously others prefer keyboard shortcuts. I wasn't advocating for one or the other. I'd like the capacity to have either or both! In the meantime, until some future revision it looks like I'll have to get used to shortcut keys... ------------------------ Wallace J. Gingerich, Professor Mandel School of Applied Social Sciences Case Western Reserve University http://www.gingerich.net ICQ: 17294594

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Moody, Jeanne    Posted: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:16:43 EST
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:16:43 EST Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: "Moody, Jeanne" Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-02-03 17:12:56 EST, you write: > Something as commonly used as New Record > *MUST HAVE* a keyboard shortcut. Doesn't the F9 key work in the newest version? I started with the DOS version and find that all the keyboard shortcuts I've needed have been carried over to Windows. When I forget a shortcut, I refer to the DOS manual because I tagged the page. Indexes to ProCite manuals leave something to be desired in my opinion. Jeanne Moody

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Christine Capen    Posted: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:14:49 -0800
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:14:49 -0800 Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Christine Capen Organization: RIS Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: > > Something as commonly used as New Record > > *MUST HAVE* a keyboard shortcut. > > Doesn't the F9 key work in the newest version? I started with the DOS version > and find that all the keyboard shortcuts I've needed have been carried over to > Windows. When I forget a shortcut, I refer to the DOS manual because I tagged > the page. Indexes to ProCite manuals leave something to be desired in my > opinion. Hi All: Just a quick note to let all of you know that Research Information Systems does monitor this list and acknowledges the requests for enhancements to ProCite through it. For example, the user that would like to user customizable the keyboard shortcuts has already been added to our database for consideration to future releases. We do have a direct address that goes to our development team if you would like to make a suggested program enhancement, send an email to: explaining what you would like. Finally, F9 does create a new record. Christine Capen ********************************** Christine Capen Research Information Systems 2355 Camino Vida Roble Carlsbad, Ca 92009-1572 760.438.5547 ex 341 760.438.5573 FAX ATTN: Christine ***********************************

Re: Customizing ProCite 4
Author: Laurent Duchastel De Montrouge    Posted: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:14:55 -0500
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:14:55 -0500 Reply-To: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List Sender: PROCITE The Personal Bibliographic Software Discussion List From: Laurent Duchastel de Montrouge Subject: Re: Customizing ProCite 4 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Just a quick note to let all of you know that Research Information > Systems does monitor this list and acknowledges the requests for > enhancements to ProCite through it. For example, the user that > would like to > user customizable the keyboard shortcuts has already been added to > our database for consideration to future releases. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ Thanks to Christine Capen from RIS for monitoring the list. Since we are at it, I would be more than happy if she or somebody else from RIS could brief us about the next version 5. Nancy Matus from RIS wrote me last month that a major version upgrade was under way, but gave no information about planned enhancements, features and delivery date. Knowing that the long-time requested customizable keyboard has been added to the suggestion database is good to know, but knowing that this more-than-obvious suggestion is still under "consideration" for next version (or even subsequent versions) worries me a lot. I mean, some of the features requested by users were expressed *years* ago. So, what will actually address next version ? Mystery. I understand that RIS policy is and always has been to never discuss or announce upgrade for "competitive reasons" (which one? 8-), as David L. Kochalko, president of RIS, once wrote on this list. However, the early pre-announcement of the Mac version and the much publicized 4.03 upgrade (months before its actual release) maybe show some changes to this policy this year. Even a very rough outline about time schedule and content would be okay for loyal users. Many of us have or will have to take hard and expensive decisions about bibliographical systems in our organization: not knowing what will happen next does not favor much choosing ProCite. Given the choice between a powerful software but which future is kept secret, and a less-powerful software but with clear, strong and well-publicized guidelines development, I am not sure everybody will take the first one. Not in my organization at least. So, basic questions that could be answered without hindering "RIS competitive advantages" would be: 1. When the version 5.0 is planned to be released ? 2. What new features users will find (basic list) ? 3. Which user suggestions "under consideration" will be implemented ? 4. Since the Mac version has been just released, will the 5.0 version be issued only for Win98? 5. Will the hardware requirement be substantially changed ? (Important for today's computer purchasing decision) 6. Will a beta testing program take place ? Many of us are worry about what's going on with ProCite. Thanks in advance to RIS for addressing these fears. Regards to all Laurent DUCHASTEL DE MONTROUGE Director International Business Summer School Center for International Cooperation Department of Administrative Sciences University of Quebec at Montreal (UQAM) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Tel: (514) 987-3000, ext. 6527 Fax: (514) 987-6625 email: Web: http://www.er.uqam.ca/nobel/k16210

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