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[mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again)
Author: Andy Spragg    Posted: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:26:08 +0100
I'm working with Mathcad 2000 at the moment - we had a copy going spare, and it was a lot closer to my colleaagues than the v7 I have been stubbornly sticking to these last few years, so I decided to make use of it. No problems so far, until today - but then I haven't stressed it until today. Actually, what I've been doing today shouldn't have been particularly stressful - simple symbolic stuff - but stressful compared to what I've used it for thus far. Anyway ... ... I've discovered this "interesting" bug in the equation editor. I'd be surprised (but not amazed) if it's not known about, but I don't recall it being aired before. I'm editing an equation (with symbolic equals, not evaluation equals) - just manually regrouping some terms - and trying to delete a placeholder (using the delete key on the keyboard). Three times now, Mathcad has just instanteously shut itself down as a result. Not crashed, just made a sharp exit - as if Delete was a (red)hotkey. One time, Windows even asked me if I wanted to send blahblah.mcd to the Recycle Bin ... So now I'm proceeding very carefully, saving every few seconds, and keeping my fingers crossed. Does anyone know anything about this bug? Andy **************************************************************** Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. Please notify the sender of the error, delete all copies of them from your system and destroy any printed copies. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this email and any files transmitted with it. Please rely on your own anti-virus system. No responsibility is taken by RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. ****************************************************************

[mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again)
Author: Markos E Psarros    Posted: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:20:25 +0300
Andy What is the operating system that you are using? Seems like a problem that I do know about incompatibility of version 2000 of Mathcad and Windows XP systems! Markos *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23/9/2005 at 3:26 ìì "Andy.Spragg" wrote: I'm working with Mathcad 2000 at the moment - we had a copy going spare, and it was a lot closer to my colleaagues than the v7 I have been stubbornly sticking to these last few years, so I decided to make use of it. No problems so far, until today - but then I haven't stressed it until today. Actually, what I've been doing today shouldn't have been particularly stressful - simple symbolic stuff - but stressful compared to what I've used it for thus far. Anyway ... ... I've discovered this "interesting" bug in the equation editor. I'd be surprised (but not amazed) if it's not known about, but I don't recall it being aired before. I'm editing an equation (with symbolic equals, not evaluation equals) - just manually regrouping some terms - and trying to delete a placeholder (using the delete key on the keyboard). Three times now, Mathcad has just instanteously shut itself down as a result. Not crashed, just made a sharp exit - as if Delete was a (red)hotkey. One time, Windows even asked me if I wanted to send blahblah.mcd to the Recycle Bin ... So now I'm proceeding very carefully, saving every few seconds, and keeping my fingers crossed. Does anyone know anything about this bug? Andy Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. Please notify the sender of the error, delete all copies of them from your system and destroy any printed copies. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this email and any files transmitted with it. Please rely on your own anti-virus system. No responsibility is taken by RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. Markos E. Psarros - M.Sc. Civil Engineering I.I.T. Chicago USA General Manager Software Imports and Sales Dpt. MP & Associates Ltd. Formionos 119-121 Str. - Kaissariani ATHENS 161 21 GREECE Tel: +30-210-7600955 Fax: +30-210-7600956 e-mail: "mpsar" http://www.mpassociates.gr

[mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again)
Author: Andy Spragg    Posted: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:31:17 +0100
Markos, Win 2k. Now you've asked, I shall try and remember to take home the worksheet I saved that demonstrates the problem reproducibly (on Win2k) and see if it also manifests on WinXP. Andy "Markos E. Psarros" "markos" 27/09/2005 10:20 Please respond to "mathcad" To Mathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) Andy What is the operating system that you are using? Seems like a problem that I do know about incompatibility of version 2000 of Mathcad and Windows XP systems! Markos *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23/9/2005 at 3:26 ìì "Andy.Spragg" wrote: I'm working with Mathcad 2000 at the moment - we had a copy going spare, and it was a lot closer to my colleaagues than the v7 I have been stubbornly sticking to these last few years, so I decided to make use of it. No problems so far, until today - but then I haven't stressed it until today. Actually, what I've been doing today shouldn't have been particularly stressful - simple symbolic stuff - but stressful compared to what I've used it for thus far. Anyway ... ... I've discovered this "interesting" bug in the equation editor. I'd be surprised (but not amazed) if it's not known about, but I don't recall it being aired before. I'm editing an equation (with symbolic equals, not evaluation equals) - just manually regrouping some terms - and trying to delete a placeholder (using the delete key on the keyboard). Three times now, Mathcad has just instanteously shut itself down as a result. Not crashed, just made a sharp exit - as if Delete was a (red)hotkey. One time, Windows even asked me if I wanted to send blahblah.mcd to the Recycle Bin ... So now I'm proceeding very carefully, saving every few seconds, and keeping my fingers crossed. Does anyone know anything about this bug? Andy Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. Please notify the sender of the error, delete all copies of them from your system and destroy any printed copies. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this email and any files transmitted with it. Please rely on your own anti-virus system. No responsibility is taken by RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. "mathcad" Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: "mailto:join-mathcad" or email (no subject or message needed) to: **************************************************************** Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. Please notify the sender of the error, delete all copies of them from your system and destroy any printed copies. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this email and any files transmitted with it. Please rely on your own anti-virus system. No responsibility is taken by RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. ****************************************************************

[mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again)
Author: Pergande, Albert N    Posted: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:43:50 -0400
This sounds like the "crash on edit " bug that was so common in V8. I seem to recall it was a problem of varying severity (that is, how often it occurred in a given business day) until maybe v2001i patch 3 (or whatever the last patch was). It was never real clear what caused it, but it might have related to some windows system stuff. There was no fix except save a LOT. Al Pergande Senior Radar Engineer Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control MP 200 5600 Sandlake Road Orlando, Fl 32819 Voice 407-356-5169 Fax 407-356-0933 "albert.n.pergande" for personal mail - "al" _____ From: "Andy.Spragg" "mailto:Andy.Spragg" Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 5:31 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) Markos, Win 2k. Now you've asked, I shall try and remember to take home the worksheet I saved that demonstrates the problem reproducibly (on Win2k) and see if it also manifests on WinXP. Andy "Markos E. Psarros" "markos" 27/09/2005 10:20 Please respond to "mathcad" To Mathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) Andy What is the operating system that you are using? Seems like a problem that I do know about incompatibility of version 2000 of Mathcad and Windows XP systems! Markos *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23/9/2005 at 3:26 ìì "Andy.Spragg" wrote: I'm working with Mathcad 2000 at the moment - we had a copy going spare, and it was a lot closer to my colleaagues than the v7 I have been stubbornly sticking to these last few years, so I decided to make use of it. No problems so far, until today - but then I haven't stressed it until today. Actually, what I've been doing today shouldn't have been particularly stressful - simple symbolic stuff - but stressful compared to what I've used it for thus far. Anyway ... ... I've discovered this "interesting" bug in the equation editor. I'd be surprised (but not amazed) if it's not known about, but I don't recall it being aired before. I'm editing an equation (with symbolic equals, not evaluation equals) - just manually regrouping some terms - and trying to delete a placeholder (using the delete key on the keyboard). Three times now, Mathcad has just instanteously shut itself down as a result. Not crashed, just made a sharp exit - as if Delete was a (red)hotkey. One time, Windows even asked me if I wanted to send blahblah.mcd to the Recycle Bin ... So now I'm proceeding very carefully, saving every few seconds, and keeping my fingers crossed. Does anyone know anything about this bug? Andy _____ Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. Please notify the sender of the error, delete all copies of them from your system and destroy any printed copies. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this email and any files transmitted with it. Please rely on your own anti-virus system. No responsibility is taken by RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. _____ _____ Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. Please notify the sender of the error, delete all copies of them from your system and destroy any printed copies. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this email and any files transmitted with it. Please rely on your own anti-virus system. No responsibility is taken by RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. _____

[mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again)
Author: Eden Mei    Posted: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:17:45 -0700
Another thin to see is if there is any graphics acceleration that is turned on TTFN

[mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again)
Author: Andy Spragg    Posted: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:49:54 +0100
(Markos) I tried it at home, on WInXP, up to date sith service packs, hotfixes and all the rest of it. Same problem. (Eden) I also tried it again at work, with graphics acceleration turned off. Same problem. Here's another curious thing that I've noticed. After I start Mathcad, open the worksheet, and delete the placeholder and Mathcad instantly shuts itself down, when I repeat the process, the worksheet is not listed in Mathcad's recently used file list - although it is listed in Windows Start-Documents list. Andy "Markos E. Psarros" "markos" 27/09/2005 10:20 Please respond to "mathcad" To Mathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) Andy What is the operating system that you are using? Seems like a problem that I do know about incompatibility of version 2000 of Mathcad and Windows XP systems! Markos *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23/9/2005 at 3:26 ìì "Andy.Spragg" wrote: I'm working with Mathcad 2000 at the moment - we had a copy going spare, and it was a lot closer to my colleaagues than the v7 I have been stubbornly sticking to these last few years, so I decided to make use of it. No problems so far, until today - but then I haven't stressed it until today. Actually, what I've been doing today shouldn't have been particularly stressful - simple symbolic stuff - but stressful compared to what I've used it for thus far. Anyway ... ... I've discovered this "interesting" bug in the equation editor. I'd be surprised (but not amazed) if it's not known about, but I don't recall it being aired before. I'm editing an equation (with symbolic equals, not evaluation equals) - just manually regrouping some terms - and trying to delete a placeholder (using the delete key on the keyboard). Three times now, Mathcad has just instanteously shut itself down as a result. Not crashed, just made a sharp exit - as if Delete was a (red)hotkey. One time, Windows even asked me if I wanted to send blahblah.mcd to the Recycle Bin ... So now I'm proceeding very carefully, saving every few seconds, and keeping my fingers crossed. Does anyone know anything about this bug? Andy Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. Please notify the sender of the error, delete all copies of them from your system and destroy any printed copies. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this email and any files transmitted with it. Please rely on your own anti-virus system. No responsibility is taken by RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. "mathcad" Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: "mailto:join-mathcad" or email (no subject or message needed) to: **************************************************************** Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. Please notify the sender of the error, delete all copies of them from your system and destroy any printed copies. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this email and any files transmitted with it. Please rely on your own anti-virus system. No responsibility is taken by RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. ****************************************************************

[mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again)
Author: Dave Powley    Posted: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:43:09 +0100
Andy As I recall, Mathcad 2000 isn't compatible with Windows XP, so any problems may well be due to this. Patches won't help. The earliest compatible version was 2001i. I've never seen this problem in any version from 2001i onwards. Also, if Mathcad isn't shut down normally, the latest files won't be shown, as I believe that updating this list only occurs on shutdown. Dave _____ From: "Andy.Spragg" "mailto:Andy.Spragg" Sent: 28 September 2005 10:50 To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) (Markos) I tried it at home, on WInXP, up to date sith service packs, hotfixes and all the rest of it. Same problem. (Eden) I also tried it again at work, with graphics acceleration turned off. Same problem. Here's another curious thing that I've noticed. After I start Mathcad, open the worksheet, and delete the placeholder and Mathcad instantly shuts itself down, when I repeat the process, the worksheet is not listed in Mathcad's recently used file list - although it is listed in Windows Start-Documents list. Andy "Markos E. Psarros" "markos" 27/09/2005 10:20 Please respond to "mathcad" To Mathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) Andy What is the operating system that you are using? Seems like a problem that I do know about incompatibility of version 2000 of Mathcad and Windows XP systems! Markos *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23/9/2005 at 3:26 ìì "Andy.Spragg" wrote: I'm working with Mathcad 2000 at the moment - we had a copy going spare, and it was a lot closer to my colleaagues than the v7 I have been stubbornly sticking to these last few years, so I decided to make use of it. No problems so far, until today - but then I haven't stressed it until today. Actually, what I've been doing today shouldn't have been particularly stressful - simple symbolic stuff - but stressful compared to what I've used it for thus far. Anyway ... ... I've discovered this "interesting" bug in the equation editor. I'd be surprised (but not amazed) if it's not known about, but I don't recall it being aired before. I'm editing an equation (with symbolic equals, not evaluation equals) - just manually regrouping some terms - and trying to delete a placeholder (using the delete key on the keyboard). Three times now, Mathcad has just instanteously shut itself down as a result. Not crashed, just made a sharp exit - as if Delete was a (red)hotkey. One time, Windows even asked me if I wanted to send blahblah.mcd to the Recycle Bin ... So now I'm proceeding very carefully, saving every few seconds, and keeping my fingers crossed. Does anyone know anything about this bug? Andy _____ Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. Please notify the sender of the error, delete all copies of them from your system and destroy any printed copies. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this email and any files transmitted with it. Please rely on your own anti-virus system. 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[mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again)
Author: Andy Spragg    Posted: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:06:23 +0100
Hi Dave, My OS at work, where I first encountered the problem, is Win2k - so it's not an incompatibility with WinXP issue. What version of Mathcad, and what OS, are you using? I posted the worksheet, with instructions, this morning; did you try it? Andy Dave Powley "Dave.Powley" 28/09/2005 11:43 Please respond to "mathcad" To Mathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) Andy As I recall, Mathcad 2000 isn't compatible with Windows XP, so any problems may well be due to this. Patches won't help. The earliest compatible version was 2001i. I've never seen this problem in any version from 2001i onwards. Also, if Mathcad isn't shut down normally, the latest files won't be shown, as I believe that updating this list only occurs on shutdown. Dave From: "Andy.Spragg" "mailto:Andy.Spragg" Sent: 28 September 2005 10:50 To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) (Markos) I tried it at home, on WInXP, up to date sith service packs, hotfixes and all the rest of it. Same problem. (Eden) I also tried it again at work, with graphics acceleration turned off. Same problem. Here's another curious thing that I've noticed. After I start Mathcad, open the worksheet, and delete the placeholder and Mathcad instantly shuts itself down, when I repeat the process, the worksheet is not listed in Mathcad's recently used file list - although it is listed in Windows Start-Documents list. Andy "Markos E. Psarros" "markos" 27/09/2005 10:20 Please respond to "mathcad" To Mathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) Andy What is the operating system that you are using? Seems like a problem that I do know about incompatibility of version 2000 of Mathcad and Windows XP systems! Markos *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23/9/2005 at 3:26 ìì "Andy.Spragg" wrote: I'm working with Mathcad 2000 at the moment - we had a copy going spare, and it was a lot closer to my colleaagues than the v7 I have been stubbornly sticking to these last few years, so I decided to make use of it. No problems so far, until today - but then I haven't stressed it until today. Actually, what I've been doing today shouldn't have been particularly stressful - simple symbolic stuff - but stressful compared to what I've used it for thus far. Anyway ... ... I've discovered this "interesting" bug in the equation editor. I'd be surprised (but not amazed) if it's not known about, but I don't recall it being aired before. I'm editing an equation (with symbolic equals, not evaluation equals) - just manually regrouping some terms - and trying to delete a placeholder (using the delete key on the keyboard). Three times now, Mathcad has just instanteously shut itself down as a result. Not crashed, just made a sharp exit - as if Delete was a (red)hotkey. One time, Windows even asked me if I wanted to send blahblah.mcd to the Recycle Bin ... So now I'm proceeding very carefully, saving every few seconds, and keeping my fingers crossed. Does anyone know anything about this bug? Andy Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. 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[mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again)
Author: Markos E Psarros    Posted: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:10:39 +0300
Andy Here is one more option to look at: If it is a graphics card problem (looks like it), check with lower resolution or with fewer colors (try 16 bit, or even 256 colors). Bad graphics card drivers are a common problem! Turning accelaration off, doesn't do many things to a badly written driver! Regarding the appearance of the file in Windows Start-Document list, it is something to be expected. Windows keeps a track immediately after you are opening or saving a file, in any program. Mathcad needs to shut down normaly in order to have enough time to keep this info! The same happens with Microsoft's programs too! If they shut down abnormally, then the last edited document is not listed in the recent files. I am running out of ideas! Good luck! Markos *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 28/9/2005 at 10:49 ðì "Andy.Spragg" wrote: (Markos) I tried it at home, on WInXP, up to date sith service packs, hotfixes and all the rest of it. Same problem. (Eden) I also tried it again at work, with graphics acceleration turned off. Same problem. Here's another curious thing that I've noticed. After I start Mathcad, open the worksheet, and delete the placeholder and Mathcad instantly shuts itself down, when I repeat the process, the worksheet is not listed in Mathcad's recently used file list - although it is listed in Windows Start-Documents list. Andy "Markos E. Psarros" "markos" 27/09/2005 10:20 Please respond to "mathcad" ToMathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject[mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) Andy What is the operating system that you are using? Seems like a problem that I do know about incompatibility of version 2000 of Mathcad and Windows XP systems! Markos *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23/9/2005 at 3:26 ìì "Andy.Spragg" wrote: I'm working with Mathcad 2000 at the moment - we had a copy going spare, and it was a lot closer to my colleaagues than the v7 I have been stubbornly sticking to these last few years, so I decided to make use of it. No problems so far, until today - but then I haven't stressed it until today. Actually, what I've been doing today shouldn't have been particularly stressful - simple symbolic stuff - but stressful compared to what I've used it for thus far. Anyway ... ... I've discovered this "interesting" bug in the equation editor. I'd be surprised (but not amazed) if it's not known about, but I don't recall it being aired before. I'm editing an equation (with symbolic equals, not evaluation equals) - just manually regrouping some terms - and trying to delete a placeholder (using the delete key on the keyboard). Three times now, Mathcad has just instanteously shut itself down as a result. Not crashed, just made a sharp exit - as if Delete was a (red)hotkey. One time, Windows even asked me if I wanted to send blahblah.mcd to the Recycle Bin ... So now I'm proceeding very carefully, saving every few seconds, and keeping my fingers crossed. Does anyone know anything about this bug? Andy Markos E. Psarros - M.Sc. Civil Engineering I.I.T. Chicago USA General Manager Software Imports and Sales Dpt. MP & Associates Ltd. Formionos 119-121 Str. - Kaissariani ATHENS 161 21 GREECE Tel: +30-210-7600955 Fax: +30-210-7600956 e-mail: "mpsar" http://www.mpassociates.gr

[mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again)
Author: Eden Mei    Posted: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:38:22 -0700
If you can post the example file, that would probably get it onto some other machines. There are occasions where the Mathcad installation gets corrupted. TTFN, Eden From: "Andy.Spragg" To: Mathcad Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:49 AM Subject: [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) (Markos) I tried it at home, on WInXP, up to date sith service packs, hotfixes and all the rest of it. Same problem. (Eden) I also tried it again at work, with graphics acceleration turned off. Same problem. Here's another curious thing that I've noticed. After I start Mathcad, open the worksheet, and delete the placeholder and Mathcad instantly shuts itself down, when I repeat the process, the worksheet is not listed in Mathcad's recently used file list - although it is listed in Windows Start-Documents list. Andy "Markos E. Psarros" "markos" 27/09/2005 10:20 Please respond to "mathcad" To Mathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) Andy What is the operating system that you are using? Seems like a problem that I do know about incompatibility of version 2000 of Mathcad and Windows XP systems! Markos *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23/9/2005 at 3:26 ìì "Andy.Spragg" wrote: I'm working with Mathcad 2000 at the moment - we had a copy going spare, and it was a lot closer to my colleaagues than the v7 I have been stubbornly sticking to these last few years, so I decided to make use of it. No problems so far, until today - but then I haven't stressed it until today. Actually, what I've been doing today shouldn't have been particularly stressful - simple symbolic stuff - but stressful compared to what I've used it for thus far. Anyway ... ... I've discovered this "interesting" bug in the equation editor. I'd be surprised (but not amazed) if it's not known about, but I don't recall it being aired before. I'm editing an equation (with symbolic equals, not evaluation equals) - just manually regrouping some terms - and trying to delete a placeholder (using the delete key on the keyboard). Three times now, Mathcad has just instanteously shut itself down as a result. Not crashed, just made a sharp exit - as if Delete was a (red)hotkey. One time, Windows even asked me if I wanted to send blahblah.mcd to the Recycle Bin ... So now I'm proceeding very carefully, saving every few seconds, and keeping my fingers crossed. Does anyone know anything about this bug? Andy Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. Please notify the sender of the error, delete all copies of them from your system and destroy any printed copies. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this email and any files transmitted with it. Please rely on your own anti-virus system. No responsibility is taken by RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection.

[mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again)
Author: Andy Spragg    Posted: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:24:32 +0100
Hi Eden, I posted it this morning (11:something, my time) and it must have made it through to some people, because half an hour later, Mark Smith posted to say he could reproduce the problem on his machine. I haven't even seen it myself yet though, more than 6 hours later ... mind you, it took more than 3 days for my original post to get back to me. Although I tried turning graphics acceleration off, I haven't yet tried working at low screen res and colour depth. I'll try that last thing before I go home. Andy "eden mei" "eden_mei" 28/09/2005 16:38 Please respond to "mathcad" To Mathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) If you can post the example file, that would probably get it onto some other machines. There are occasions where the Mathcad installation gets corrupted. TTFN, Eden From: "Andy.Spragg" To: Mathcad Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:49 AM Subject: [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) (Markos) I tried it at home, on WInXP, up to date sith service packs, hotfixes and all the rest of it. Same problem. (Eden) I also tried it again at work, with graphics acceleration turned off. Same problem. Here's another curious thing that I've noticed. After I start Mathcad, open the worksheet, and delete the placeholder and Mathcad instantly shuts itself down, when I repeat the process, the worksheet is not listed in Mathcad's recently used file list - although it is listed in Windows Start-Documents list. Andy "Markos E. Psarros" "markos" 27/09/2005 10:20 Please respond to "mathcad" To Mathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject [mathcad] Re: [mathcad] Weird editor bugs (again) Andy What is the operating system that you are using? Seems like a problem that I do know about incompatibility of version 2000 of Mathcad and Windows XP systems! Markos *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 23/9/2005 at 3:26 ìì "Andy.Spragg" wrote: I'm working with Mathcad 2000 at the moment - we had a copy going spare, and it was a lot closer to my colleaagues than the v7 I have been stubbornly sticking to these last few years, so I decided to make use of it. No problems so far, until today - but then I haven't stressed it until today. Actually, what I've been doing today shouldn't have been particularly stressful - simple symbolic stuff - but stressful compared to what I've used it for thus far. Anyway ... ... I've discovered this "interesting" bug in the equation editor. I'd be surprised (but not amazed) if it's not known about, but I don't recall it being aired before. I'm editing an equation (with symbolic equals, not evaluation equals) - just manually regrouping some terms - and trying to delete a placeholder (using the delete key on the keyboard). Three times now, Mathcad has just instanteously shut itself down as a result. Not crashed, just made a sharp exit - as if Delete was a (red)hotkey. One time, Windows even asked me if I wanted to send blahblah.mcd to the Recycle Bin ... So now I'm proceeding very carefully, saving every few seconds, and keeping my fingers crossed. Does anyone know anything about this bug? Andy Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM plc and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. 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