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[mathcad] RE: Mathcad 11! Platinum!! Limited edition!!!
Author: Mark Smith    Posted: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:15:45 +0100
My sentiments exactly :-) The same package fell on my desk this morning from Adept ( or is it Inept ?) I'll stick with 2000 professional until I hear compelling reasons to upgrade to a better product! Mark -----Original Message----- From: andy spragg /> Sent: 30 July 2003 10:09 To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Mathcad 11! Platinum!! Limited edition!!! I just got an advert on my desk offering me the above (OK, the factorial excesses are mine). At least it stopped short of releasing it on coloured vinyl, or in a picture bag, or in a collector's rosewood box with silver intaglio ... However, it would only cost me £199 as a reluctant upgrader. And it would probably be worth that to me for the two Mathcad extension packs, if it all worked OK. However, a little bird insists on reminding me that you don't get owt for nowt, and that if Mathsoft are having to resort to tactics like this to shift Mathcad 11, there's probably a good reason why I should conttinue to eschew it. Any opinions? Andy www.rhmtech.co.uk ********************************************************************** As part of its policy to ensure a responsible and appropriate use of e-mail, RHM Technology Ltd. wishes to make clear that this message should only be read as a formal communication on behalf of the company if the sender's name and position are clearly stated at the end of the message. The information in this e-mail and any attachment is confidential and is intended only for the named recipient(s). If you are not a named recipient, you should not further disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail but notify the sender immediately by return e-mail or by telephone. Thank you. RHM Technology Ltd The Lord Rank Centre Lincoln Road High Wycombe Bucks, HP12 3QR United Kingdom Tel +44 (0)1494 - 526191 Fax +44 (0)1494 - 428080 Registered Office: Chapel House, Liston Road, Marlow SL7 1TJ. Registered in England No. 772556 ********************************************************************** --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: /> --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003 The information contained in this e-mail message (and any attachment transmitted herewith) is privileged and confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact us immediately so that we can correct the error. --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] RE: Mathcad 11! Platinum!! Limited edition!!!
Author: Stuart Bruff    Posted: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:29:43 +0100
I cheerfully confess that marketing is an art that is beyond me, but there are reasons which do not necessarily reflect a lack of confidence in a product. For example, I know some car dealers used to have sell a certain number of cars to obtain a given discount from the manufacturers; so they'd just get rid of a couple of cars at ridiculous prices to ensure they'd sold their quota. OTOH, I also know that some companies will offer discounts to encourage their user base to migrate to the latest version. This can reduce their support investment in older versions and allow them to rationalize support. It can also revitalize the user base; cheaper prices mean it's more likely the user can afford the upgrade, and once the user has the new version they can appreciate the improved performance and reliability and tell others. It can also help prevent other companies filling any capability gap that users may perceive with a competitively priced alternative. I have no idea why Adept are offering such a package, but even a hardened cynic like myself can appreciate that there might be business reasons that have nothing to do with any shortcoming in the Mathcad R11. Overall, I get less problems with R11 than 2000 and don't seem to have some of the limitations that 2001 users report. There are some pretty competent worksheets out there doing what Mathcad was designed to do, on many versions. Every version has its problems, but I haven't come across any that outweigh Mathcad's virtues. On another point. I have always had excellent support from Adept (4 years). I see no reason to judge them "Inept". They have noted problems that I may have experienced and either resolve them or passed them on to Mathsoft (who also listen). I am pleased to see that R11 (and possibly 2001, but I never got round to installing it) has resolved several of these problems. If you want a (top of the head) 2000 professional example of a fixed problem: f(x y) := x^2 + y (Just some random function, doesn't matter what it is) g(n) := | [a b]<-f(n^2, cos(n)) (An equally random function, which matters just as little) | a*b This wouldn't work on my v2000, I had to assign the result of f() to a single variable and extract a and b from that. I had temporarily forgotten about this limitation and coded a program as above in R11, as it is a fairly intuitive way of doing it. It worked. I then got confused when the program wouldn't run on v2000. Stuart Bruff PS. My only reason for not leaping at this offer is persuading my financial controller that the household budget can stretch to it! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Smith" /> To: "Mathcad Discussion List" /> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:15 AM Subject: [mathcad] RE: Mathcad 11! Platinum!! Limited edition!!! > My sentiments exactly :-) The same package fell on my desk this morning from > Adept ( or is it Inept ?) > I'll stick with 2000 professional until I hear compelling reasons to upgrade > to a better product! > Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: andy spragg /> > > I just got an advert on my desk offering me the above (OK, the factorial > excesses are mine). At least it stopped short of releasing it on coloured > vinyl, or in a picture bag, or in a collector's rosewood box with silver > intaglio ... > > However, it would only cost me £199 as a reluctant upgrader. And it would > probably be worth that to me for the two Mathcad extension packs, if it all > worked OK. However, a little bird insists on reminding me that you don't > get owt for nowt, and that if Mathsoft are having to resort to tactics like > this to shift Mathcad 11, there's probably a good reason why I should > conttinue to eschew it. > > Any opinions? > > Andy --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] RE: Mathcad 11! Platinum!! Limited edition!!!
Author: Colonna De Lega, Xavier    Posted: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:14:25 -0400
As a matter of fact, 2000 is no longer supported, see http://support.mathsoft.com/. Personally, I think that the "Undo" functionality makes switching to 11 well worth it ;-) Xavier > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Bruff /> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 07:30 > To: Mathcad Discussion List > Subject: [mathcad] RE: Mathcad 11! Platinum!! Limited edition!!! > > This can reduce > their support investment in older versions and allow them to > rationalize > support. It can also revitalize the user base; cheaper prices --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] RE: Mathcad 11! Platinum!! Limited edition!!!
Author: Eden Mei    Posted: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 07:40:29 -0700
This may be part of an effort to focus on "core" products, since Mathsoft recently divested itself of the Studyworks product line on July 23. TTFN, Eden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colonna De Lega, Xavier" /> To: "Mathcad Discussion List" /> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 5:14 AM Subject: [mathcad] RE: Mathcad 11! Platinum!! Limited edition!!! > As a matter of fact, 2000 is no longer supported, see > http://support.mathsoft.com/. Personally, I think that the "Undo" > functionality makes switching to 11 well worth it ;-) > > Xavier --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] RE: Mathcad 11! Platinum!! Limited edition!!!
Author: Paul_Bragg    Posted: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 21:28:43 +0100
Hi All As far as I know the Mathcad Platinum package has only been rolled out in the UK and Denmark so sorry to all our readers in other countries who may wonder what this is all about. As Stuart points out, of course we want Mathcad users to migrate to the latest version. We think added-value offers benefit users as well as helping us to generate extra business to fund product development and customer support. We have done may of them over the years! They do not imply any failings in the product. In fact we think Mathcad 11 has been very well-received by users, and by posters to this list. We think there are plenty of good reasons to upgrade to Mathcad 11 (multi-level Undo/Redo, mixed data format tables, PDE solve blocks etc). The "extras" supplied with the Platinum offer provide a great deal of additional content and functionality and if you have a need for them, as many do, the offer makes your software budget go further. I'm sorry Mark Smith considers us inept, ouch... Mark, please let us know in what ways we've let you down and we'll endeavour to put things right. This "Platinum" offer is perhaps a bit cheesy as they say in the USA although it is of course beautifully designed (our marketing department love it because it has extra platinum ink). If you ignore the name of the offer it really boils down to a way to get some of the add-ons available for Mathcad free when you either upgrade to Mathcad 11 or buy a new copy. It's also not a special to get you to upgrade just before the next version comes out. I am in the US visiting MathSoft at the moment and although they are of course looking at what to have in the next version it is a long long way from being available as far as I can judge. I am passionate about Mathcad, I really think it is a fantastic tool that every engineer and scientist should have on their computer. We just keep trying to come up with different ways of getting more people to get hold of the latest version. Any suggestions as to how we can do a better (and less cheesy) job of this please let me know. Thanks for your comments, please keep them coming! Best Regards Paul Bragg Chief Cook and Bottle Washer Adept Scientific --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] RE: Mathcad 11! Platinum!! Limited edition!!!
Author: Richard Jackson    Posted: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 16:32:46 -0400
Give it away for free? ;-) Richard On 30 Jul 2003 at 21:28, wrote: > We just keep > trying to come up with different ways of getting more people to get hold of > the latest version. Any suggestions as to how we can do a better (and less > cheesy) job of this please let me know. --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11! Platinum!! Limited edition!!!
Author: Aldo Solari APS    Posted: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 01:47:04 +0200
100% untrue. Personnel at Adeptscience (and Mathsoft, as well) are serious, helpful and very sympathetic. They even serve users like I, 3000 km away, non-customers of theirs, lost in the middle of the Atlantic - as I am. We have to be just and stating that these dedicated guys are "inepts" is just plain crap. For those who will set up some "conspiracy theory", hehe, the answer is no: I am not the boy friend of the daughter of the boss, I dont hold any Mathsoft shares and I dont get nothing for free. Cheers! ---- (fisheries biologist) Home page, www.ccbb.ulpgc.es/fish-ecology/solaris ---- Las Palmas, Canary Islands [31/07/2003, 1:41 GMT] ---- wrote [30/07/2003, 22:28]: Pacu> I'm sorry Mark Smith considers us inept, ouch... ---- --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] RE: Mathcad 11! Platinum!! Limited edition!!!
Author: Mark Smith    Posted: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:54:02 +0100
>>>>>I'm sorry Mark Smith considers us inept, ouch... Paul, Seems I touch an exposed nerve here -- but cheesy marketing gets all it deserves :-) A colleague of mine upgraded to ver 11 for the same cost as the Platinum package but with none of the extras. Maybe everyone who has already upgraded, should, by way of a big thank you be sent or allowed free downloads of the Platinum goodies ? I've been using MathCAD since ver 2.5 & have seen good versions & awful ones as well, I love the product but wish mathsoft would spend more time on developing more maths functionality rather than gimmicks, look how bloated it has become in comparison to the good old MathCAD 6. Maybe MathCAD 16 will have something I want ? Regards Mark (possibly imprudent) Smith --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.502 / Virus Database: 300 - Release Date: 18/07/2003 The information contained in this e-mail message (and any attachment transmitted herewith) is privileged and confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact us immediately so that we can correct the error. --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

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