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[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Mike Austin    Posted: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:58:49 +0000
In message <LIST?MANAGER-372271-145686-2003.01.06-14.52.16--mike#lamrim.org.uk@lists .adeptscience.co.uk>, Dave Powley writes > >Automatic on-line activation - fine.  But can you "deactivate" it if >you want to transfer it to another machine ?  Does it "on-line >deactivate" if you uninstall it ?  Its not an experiment I want to try >!  I can't find any references to deactivation in the documentation, or >on the FAQs on the Mathcad.com website. Does anyone have a reply to this question? I have Mathcad 11 on desktop and laptop. I have registered the desktop installation and got a license number. However, I have not registered the laptop. As I use this at work every day, am I liable to have a message pop up and tell me I cannot use it? On my laptop, on the Help --> About Mathcad dropdown, it doesn't say whether it's a fully-licensed version or a trial version. -- Mike Austin --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Pergande, Albert N    Posted: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 10:58:44 -0500
If your not registered on a copy, you should get a nag everytime you launch. Albert N Pergande Senior RF Engineer Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control MP 200 5600 Sand Lake Road Orlando Fl 32819 voice 407-356-5169 Fax 407-356-0933 business email /> personal email -----Original Message----- From: Mike Austin /> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:59 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation In message <LIST?MANAGER-372271-145686-2003.01.06-14.52.16--mike#lamrim.org.uk@lists .adeptscience.co.uk>, Dave Powley writes > >Automatic on-line activation - fine.  But can you "deactivate" it if >you want to transfer it to another machine ?  Does it "on-line >deactivate" if you uninstall it ?  Its not an experiment I want to try >!  I can't find any references to deactivation in the documentation, or >on the FAQs on the Mathcad.com website. Does anyone have a reply to this question? I have Mathcad 11 on desktop and laptop. I have registered the desktop installation and got a license number. However, I have not registered the laptop. As I use this at work every day, am I liable to have a message pop up and tell me I cannot use it? On my laptop, on the Help --> About Mathcad dropdown, it doesn't say whether it's a fully-licensed version or a trial version. -- Mike Austin --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: /> --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Thomas Labone    Posted: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 11:56:36 -0500
A discussion of the Mathcad 11 activation process is available at http://support.mathsoft.com/activationFAQ.asp If you don't like activation then vote with your wallet. I personally will not buy software like Mathcad 11 and Windows XP that require activation. ********************************** * Thomas La Bone * * * * 803-952-9535 * ********************************** Mike Austin /> 01/07/2003 09:58 AM Please respond to mathcad To: Mathcad Discussion List /> cc: Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation In message <LIST?MANAGER-372271-145686-2003.01.06-14.52.16--mike#lamrim.org.uk@lists .adeptscience.co.uk>, Dave Powley writes > >Automatic on-line activation - fine.  But can you "deactivate" it if >you want to transfer it to another machine ?  Does it "on-line >deactivate" if you uninstall it ?  Its not an experiment I want to try >!  I can't find any references to deactivation in the documentation, or >on the FAQs on the Mathcad.com website. Does anyone have a reply to this question? I have Mathcad 11 on desktop and laptop. I have registered the desktop installation and got a license number. However, I have not registered the laptop. As I use this at work every day, am I liable to have a message pop up and tell me I cannot use it? On my laptop, on the Help --> About Mathcad dropdown, it doesn't say whether it's a fully-licensed version or a trial version. -- Mike Austin --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: /> --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Jeff Walden    Posted: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 12:12:30 -0500
EXACTLY! If you don't like activation then vote with your wallet. I personally will not buy software like Mathcad 11 and Windows XP that require activation. --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Edwin Russell    Posted: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:21:57 -0000
Hi Forum, I continue to use Mathcad 6+ for several reasons and have been following the licensing discussion here. My license says I can install Mathcad on as many computers as I like provided that I; a) only use it on one PC at a time, and b) take reasonable steps to prevent the software being used by others. I currently have it installed on 4 PCs in different locations and have disabled each one so that it cannot be used. I go to one location, enable the application with a password (this takes about 10s), use it and then disable it again. I repeat this at each location as required. The effect of this is the same as if I had installed it on a laptop and carried it around with me to each location. I believe that I am complying with both the letter and the spirit of the license as I only use it on one PC at a time and no-one else can use it. I intend to replace 2 of the PCs in a while. I expect to just remove it from the old ones and install it on the new ones using the same method outlined above. I have paid for a full single user license - is it reasonable for me to expect to be able to do this without any hassle? Has the change in licensing from MathSoft prevented me from changing to Mathcad 11 if I wish to continue my current arrangement? I bought a calculator - I don't expect it to lock me out after a period of time because my license to use it has expired. Mathcad is a big calculator - why should it be any different? Also for my car, shoes, camera, furniture etc (or should I be worried about them in the future!). Edwin Russell. [UK] --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Pergande, Albert N    Posted: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:50:42 -0500
Well, it's like this. Once upon a time, you bought an "object" - a calculator, an LP, a car. it was yours. You fixed it if is was broken, threw it away if it couldn't be fixed, and resold it if you didn't need it any more. Today, powerful forces don't like this idea. They want you to rent a "concept" - a piece of code, an mp3, lease a car. You never take title to it. You still pay to fix it, but if you resell it you go to jail, because it isn't really yours. After a while, you don't have it anymore. Mathsoft isn't driving this, but since they write in Microsoft language and run on Microsoft machines, they are dragged along with Microsoft. Code activation is just the first step. That binary cdilla file could just as easily inactivate the program in 1 or 3 or 5 years, and demand additional payment. I'm not saying that's there now, but unless you know EXACTLY what it does and how it does it, you're at it's mercy. AutoDesk has been like this for years - it's illegal to resell old AutoCAD software, even if you die and don't plan to use it anymore. I suggest you hang on to any old copies of ANY software. You may still need them someday. Albert N Pergande Senior RF Engineer Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control MP 200 5600 Sand Lake Road Orlando Fl 32819 voice 407-356-5169 Fax 407-356-0933 business email /> personal email -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Russell /> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:22 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation Hi Forum, I continue to use Mathcad 6+ for several reasons and have been following the licensing discussion here. My license says I can install Mathcad on as many computers as I like provided that I; a) only use it on one PC at a time, and b) take reasonable steps to prevent the software being used by others. I currently have it installed on 4 PCs in different locations and have disabled each one so that it cannot be used. I go to one location, enable the application with a password (this takes about 10s), use it and then disable it again. I repeat this at each location as required. The effect of this is the same as if I had installed it on a laptop and carried it around with me to each location. I believe that I am complying with both the letter and the spirit of the license as I only use it on one PC at a time and no-one else can use it. I intend to replace 2 of the PCs in a while. I expect to just remove it from the old ones and install it on the new ones using the same method outlined above. I have paid for a full single user license - is it reasonable for me to expect to be able to do this without any hassle? Has the change in licensing from MathSoft prevented me from changing to Mathcad 11 if I wish to continue my current arrangement? I bought a calculator - I don't expect it to lock me out after a period of time because my license to use it has expired. Mathcad is a big calculator - why should it be any different? Also for my car, shoes, camera, furniture etc (or should I be worried about them in the future!). Edwin Russell. [UK] --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: /> --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Dave Powley    Posted: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:32:18 -0000
This begs the question - for how long will I be able to activate my Mathcad 11 software ? Mathsoft no longer support Mathcad 2000 or earlier. After another couple of iterations of this product, we we then find that we can no longer activate Mathcad 11 ? Dave Powley -----Original Message----- From: Pergande, Albert N /> Sent: 09 January 2003 14:51 To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation Well, it's like this. Once upon a time, you bought an "object" - a calculator, an LP, a car. it was yours. You fixed it if is was broken, threw it away if it couldn't be fixed, and resold it if you didn't need it any more. Today, powerful forces don't like this idea. They want you to rent a "concept" - a piece of code, an mp3, lease a car. You never take title to it. You still pay to fix it, but if you resell it you go to jail, because it isn't really yours. After a while, you don't have it anymore. Mathsoft isn't driving this, but since they write in Microsoft language and run on Microsoft machines, they are dragged along with Microsoft. Code activation is just the first step. That binary cdilla file could just as easily inactivate the program in 1 or 3 or 5 years, and demand additional payment. I'm not saying that's there now, but unless you know EXACTLY what it does and how it does it, you're at it's mercy. AutoDesk has been like this for years - it's illegal to resell old AutoCAD software, even if you die and don't plan to use it anymore. I suggest you hang on to any old copies of ANY software. You may still need them someday. Albert N Pergande Senior RF Engineer Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control MP 200 5600 Sand Lake Road Orlando Fl 32819 voice 407-356-5169 Fax 407-356-0933 business email /> personal email -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Russell /> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:22 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation Hi Forum, I continue to use Mathcad 6+ for several reasons and have been following the licensing discussion here. My license says I can install Mathcad on as many computers as I like provided that I; a) only use it on one PC at a time, and b) take reasonable steps to prevent the software being used by others. I currently have it installed on 4 PCs in different locations and have disabled each one so that it cannot be used. I go to one location, enable the application with a password (this takes about 10s), use it and then disable it again. I repeat this at each location as required. The effect of this is the same as if I had installed it on a laptop and carried it around with me to each location. I believe that I am complying with both the letter and the spirit of the license as I only use it on one PC at a time and no-one else can use it. I intend to replace 2 of the PCs in a while. I expect to just remove it from the old ones and install it on the new ones using the same method outlined above. I have paid for a full single user license - is it reasonable for me to expect to be able to do this without any hassle? Has the change in licensing from MathSoft prevented me from changing to Mathcad 11 if I wish to continue my current arrangement? I bought a calculator - I don't expect it to lock me out after a period of time because my license to use it has expired. Mathcad is a big calculator - why should it be any different? Also for my car, shoes, camera, furniture etc (or should I be worried about them in the future!). Edwin Russell. 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[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Paul Beattie2    Posted: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 15:45:46 +0000
Is Mathcad 2000 really not suported anymore? Paul Beattie -----Original Message----- From: Dave Powley /> Sent: 09 January 2003 15:32 To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation This begs the question - for how long will I be able to activate my Mathcad 11 software ? Mathsoft no longer support Mathcad 2000 or earlier. After another couple of iterations of this product, we we then find that we can no longer activate Mathcad 11 ? Dave Powley -----Original Message----- From: Pergande, Albert N [ /> ] Sent: 09 January 2003 14:51 To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation Well, it's like this. Once upon a time, you bought an "object" - a calculator, an LP, a car. it was yours. You fixed it if is was broken, threw it away if it couldn't be fixed, and resold it if you didn't need it any more. Today, powerful forces don't like this idea. They want you to rent a "concept" - a piece of code, an mp3, lease a car. You never take title to it. You still pay to fix it, but if you resell it you go to jail, because it isn't really yours. After a while, you don't have it anymore. Mathsoft isn't driving this, but since they write in Microsoft language and run on Microsoft machines, they are dragged along with Microsoft. Code activation is just the first step. That binary cdilla file could just as easily inactivate the program in 1 or 3 or 5 years, and demand additional payment. I'm not saying that's there now, but unless you know EXACTLY what it does and how it does it, you're at it's mercy. AutoDesk has been like this for years - it's illegal to resell old AutoCAD software, even if you die and don't plan to use it anymore. I suggest you hang on to any old copies of ANY software. You may still need them someday. Albert N Pergande Senior RF Engineer Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control MP 200 5600 Sand Lake Road Orlando Fl 32819 voice 407-356-5169 Fax 407-356-0933 business email personal email -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Russell [ /> ] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 8:22 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation Hi Forum, I continue to use Mathcad 6+ for several reasons and have been following the licensing discussion here. My license says I can install Mathcad on as many computers as I like provided that I; a) only use it on one PC at a time, and b) take reasonable steps to prevent the software being used by others. I currently have it installed on 4 PCs in different locations and have disabled each one so that it cannot be used. I go to one location, enable the application with a password (this takes about 10s), use it and then disable it again. I repeat this at each location as required. The effect of this is the same as if I had installed it on a laptop and carried it around with me to each location. I believe that I am complying with both the letter and the spirit of the license as I only use it on one PC at a time and no-one else can use it. I intend to replace 2 of the PCs in a while. I expect to just remove it from the old ones and install it on the new ones using the same method outlined above. I have paid for a full single user license - is it reasonable for me to expect to be able to do this without any hassle? Has the change in licensing from MathSoft prevented me from changing to Mathcad 11 if I wish to continue my current arrangement? I bought a calculator - I don't expect it to lock me out after a period of time because my license to use it has expired. Mathcad is a big calculator - why should it be any different? Also for my car, shoes, camera, furniture etc (or should I be worried about them in the future!). Edwin Russell. 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[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Ted Diehl    Posted: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:03:15 -0500
do any of you who are complaining about the Mathcad (and other software vendors) licensing schemes use "specialized" programs like Finite Elements (ABAQUS, NASTRAN, DYNA, ANSYS, etc.). All of these codes work on yearly lease concepts. And those expenses are very large ($50,000 or more for a modest number of floating seats). The cost of Mathcad is still very low compared to that. Leasing to get continued revenue s likely the way of the future. It is unrealistic to expect that Mathsoft or others will give you everything for free - you work to get a paycheck and they do to. ted diehl Edwin Russell on 01/09/2003 08:21:57 AM Please respond to /> To: Mathcad Discussion List /> cc: Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation Hi Forum, I continue to use Mathcad 6+ for several reasons and have been following the licensing discussion here. My license says I can install Mathcad on as many computers as I like provided that I; a) only use it on one PC at a time, and b) take reasonable steps to prevent the software being used by others. I currently have it installed on 4 PCs in different locations and have disabled each one so that it cannot be used. I go to one location, enable the application with a password (this takes about 10s), use it and then disable it again. I repeat this at each location as required. The effect of this is the same as if I had installed it on a laptop and carried it around with me to each location. I believe that I am complying with both the letter and the spirit of the license as I only use it on one PC at a time and no-one else can use it. I intend to replace 2 of the PCs in a while. I expect to just remove it from the old ones and install it on the new ones using the same method outlined above. I have paid for a full single user license - is it reasonable for me to expect to be able to do this without any hassle? Has the change in licensing from MathSoft prevented me from changing to Mathcad 11 if I wish to continue my current arrangement? I bought a calculator - I don't expect it to lock me out after a period of time because my license to use it has expired. Mathcad is a big calculator - why should it be any different? Also for my car, shoes, camera, furniture etc (or should I be worried about them in the future!). Edwin Russell. [UK] --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: /> This communication is for use by the intended recipient and contains information that may be privileged, confidential or copyrighted under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby formally notified that any use, copying or distribution of this e-mail, in whole or in part, is strictly prohibited. Please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail from your system. Unless explicitly and conspicuously designated as "E-Contract Intended", this e-mail does not constitute a contract offer, a contract amendment, or an acceptance of a contract offer. This e-mail does not constitute a consent to the use of sender's contact information for direct marketing purposes or for transfers of data to third parties. Francais Deutsch Italiano Espanol Portugues Japanese Chinese Korean http://www.DuPont.com/corp/email_disclaimer.html --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Mark Smith    Posted: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:59:28 -0000
Who's to say it won't deactivate itself on say Jan 1 2005 ? How long is a perpetual license for? How long will mathsoft issue activation keys for this product given a valid request? Mark --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.406 / Virus Database: 229 - Release Date: 21/10/02 The information contained in this e-mail message (and any attachment transmitted herewith) is privileged and confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other dissemination or use of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact us immediately so that we can correct the error. --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Mike Austin    Posted: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:30:49 +0000
In message <LIST?MANAGER-372271-150531-2003.01.09-16.02.50--mike#lamrim.org.uk@lists .adeptscience.co.uk>, writes >Is Mathcad 2000 really not suported anymore? >  It's worse than you thought. Here's a quote from the Mathcad Advisor Newsletter, dated 08 January 2003: "New Support Policy in Effect As of January 1, 2003, we no longer offer support services for Mathcad Version 2001 and earlier. Technical support is available to all registered users of Mathcad 2001i and Mathcad 11. -- Mike Austin --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Pergande, Albert N    Posted: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 12:02:21 -0500
They sell a PRODUCT. They don't exactly give it away. Albert N Pergande Senior RF Engineer Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control MP 200 5600 Sand Lake Road Orlando Fl 32819 voice 407-356-5169 Fax 407-356-0933 business email /> personal email -----Original Message----- From: Ted Diehl /> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:03 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation do any of you who are complaining about the Mathcad (and other software vendors) licensing schemes use "specialized" programs like Finite Elements (ABAQUS, NASTRAN, DYNA, ANSYS, etc.). All of these codes work on yearly lease concepts. And those expenses are very large ($50,000 or more for a modest number of floating seats). The cost of Mathcad is still very low compared to that. Leasing to get continued revenue s likely the way of the future. It is unrealistic to expect that Mathsoft or others will give you everything for free - you work to get a paycheck and they do to. ted diehl Edwin Russell on 01/09/2003 08:21:57 AM Please respond to /> To: Mathcad Discussion List /> cc: Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation Hi Forum, I continue to use Mathcad 6+ for several reasons and have been following the licensing discussion here. My license says I can install Mathcad on as many computers as I like provided that I; a) only use it on one PC at a time, and b) take reasonable steps to prevent the software being used by others. I currently have it installed on 4 PCs in different locations and have disabled each one so that it cannot be used. I go to one location, enable the application with a password (this takes about 10s), use it and then disable it again. I repeat this at each location as required. The effect of this is the same as if I had installed it on a laptop and carried it around with me to each location. I believe that I am complying with both the letter and the spirit of the license as I only use it on one PC at a time and no-one else can use it. I intend to replace 2 of the PCs in a while. I expect to just remove it from the old ones and install it on the new ones using the same method outlined above. I have paid for a full single user license - is it reasonable for me to expect to be able to do this without any hassle? Has the change in licensing from MathSoft prevented me from changing to Mathcad 11 if I wish to continue my current arrangement? I bought a calculator - I don't expect it to lock me out after a period of time because my license to use it has expired. Mathcad is a big calculator - why should it be any different? Also for my car, shoes, camera, furniture etc (or should I be worried about them in the future!). Edwin Russell. [UK] --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: /> This communication is for use by the intended recipient and contains information that may be privileged, confidential or copyrighted under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby formally notified that any use, copying or distribution of this e-mail, in whole or in part, is strictly prohibited. Please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail from your system. Unless explicitly and conspicuously designated as "E-Contract Intended", this e-mail does not constitute a contract offer, a contract amendment, or an acceptance of a contract offer. This e-mail does not constitute a consent to the use of sender's contact information for direct marketing purposes or for transfers of data to third parties. Francais Deutsch Italiano Espanol Portugues Japanese Chinese Korean http://www.DuPont.com/corp/email_disclaimer.html --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: /> --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Randall H Collier    Posted: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 11:14:16 -0600
I, also, have not had anything "given" to me. I am one of those who has continuously upgraded over the years and am now using version 2001i. In spite of how good a product may be, if it isn't convenient to use, I will not use it - I am in a service business that operates on a "reimbursable" basis, so spending time trying to get a licensed copy of software to run properly is not an option. And for the sake of the record, I, too, have had multiple calculus courses and also use software that is much more powerful and more expensive than Mathcad - I don't however, have to have each one "activated" when I move it from machine to machine. Some of these "take it or leave it" arguments remind me of Henry Ford's comments about the colors of cars he made - "They can have any color, as long as it is black". Randall H. Collier, P.E. Civil/Structural Engineering Manager Wink, Incorporated 8641 United Plaza Blvd., Suite 204 Baton Rouge, LA 70809 Ph.: 225-932-6015 Fax: 225-932-9035 -----Original Message----- From: Pergande, Albert N Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:02 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation They sell a PRODUCT. They don't exactly give it away. Albert N Pergande Senior RF Engineer Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control MP 200 5600 Sand Lake Road Orlando Fl 32819 voice 407-356-5169 Fax 407-356-0933 business email /> personal email -----Original Message----- From: Ted Diehl /> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:03 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation do any of you who are complaining about the Mathcad (and other software vendors) licensing schemes use "specialized" programs like Finite Elements (ABAQUS, NASTRAN, DYNA, ANSYS, etc.). All of these codes work on yearly lease concepts. And those expenses are very large ($50,000 or more for a modest number of floating seats). The cost of Mathcad is still very low compared to that. Leasing to get continued revenue s likely the way of the future. It is unrealistic to expect that Mathsoft or others will give you everything for free - you work to get a paycheck and they do to. ted diehl Edwin Russell on 01/09/2003 08:21:57 AM Please respond to /> To: Mathcad Discussion List /> cc: Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation Hi Forum, I continue to use Mathcad 6+ for several reasons and have been following the licensing discussion here. My license says I can install Mathcad on as many computers as I like provided that I; a) only use it on one PC at a time, and b) take reasonable steps to prevent the software being used by others. I currently have it installed on 4 PCs in different locations and have disabled each one so that it cannot be used. I go to one location, enable the application with a password (this takes about 10s), use it and then disable it again. I repeat this at each location as required. The effect of this is the same as if I had installed it on a laptop and carried it around with me to each location. I believe that I am complying with both the letter and the spirit of the license as I only use it on one PC at a time and no-one else can use it. I intend to replace 2 of the PCs in a while. I expect to just remove it from the old ones and install it on the new ones using the same method outlined above. I have paid for a full single user license - is it reasonable for me to expect to be able to do this without any hassle? Has the change in licensing from MathSoft prevented me from changing to Mathcad 11 if I wish to continue my current arrangement? I bought a calculator - I don't expect it to lock me out after a period of time because my license to use it has expired. Mathcad is a big calculator - why should it be any different? Also for my car, shoes, camera, furniture etc (or should I be worried about them in the future!). Edwin Russell. [UK] --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: /> This communication is for use by the intended recipient and contains information that may be privileged, confidential or copyrighted under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby formally notified that any use, copying or distribution of this e-mail, in whole or in part, is strictly prohibited. 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[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Richard Jackson    Posted: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:31:57 -0500
The only time I would even consider a leased product, or recommend one to my company, would be if there were absolutely no competing products available that could do the job, and further that the job was absolutely essential. I would also sooner switch to a new product (in this case Matlab, or Mathematica, or Derive, etc), or use an old version, than upgrade a product that changed the license to require payment on an annual basis. If the day arrives when all the competing products require an annual fee then I will use old versions until the OS no longer supports them. When that day arrives, if I'm not retired, I guess I am going to be forced to be an unhappy customer of someone. Richard On 9 Jan 2003 at 11:03, Ted Diehl wrote: > > do any of you who are complaining about the Mathcad (and other software > vendors) licensing schemes use "specialized" programs like Finite Elements > (ABAQUS, NASTRAN, DYNA, ANSYS, etc.). All of these codes work on yearly > lease concepts. And those expenses are very large ($50,000 or more for a > modest number of floating seats). The cost of Mathcad is still very low > compared to that. > > Leasing to get continued revenue s likely the way of the future. > > It is unrealistic to expect that Mathsoft or others will give you > everything for free - you work to get a paycheck and they do to. > > ted diehl > --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Gray, Steven G    Posted: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 12:30:51 -0500
No one is asking Mathsoft to work for free, but once they sell you a product it's not unreasonable to expect it to continue to work as designed indefinitely. Upgrades, of course, are another matter; you should expect to pay for that. Your point about term licensing is well taken, but in my experience (Microwave design/analysis software) even the expensive packages are still available with permanent licensing. Of course, the software suppliers hope that you'll pay for continued support and upgrades, but that still seems to be optional at present. I for one think it will be a sad day when only term licenses are available. In any case, it should certainly be made clear before you buy if a product may cease operating at some point in the future. If active vendor support is required for normal setup, permanent licensing becomes iffy at best. Steve Gray Lockheed Martin -----Original Message----- From: Ted Diehl /> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:03 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation do any of you who are complaining about the Mathcad (and other software vendors) licensing schemes use "specialized" programs like Finite Elements (ABAQUS, NASTRAN, DYNA, ANSYS, etc.). All of these codes work on yearly lease concepts. And those expenses are very large ($50,000 or more for a modest number of floating seats). The cost of Mathcad is still very low compared to that. Leasing to get continued revenue s likely the way of the future. It is unrealistic to expect that Mathsoft or others will give you everything for free - you work to get a paycheck and they do to. ted diehl Edwin Russell on 01/09/2003 08:21:57 AM Please respond to /> To: Mathcad Discussion List /> cc: Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation Hi Forum, I continue to use Mathcad 6+ for several reasons and have been following the licensing discussion here. My license says I can install Mathcad on as many computers as I like provided that I; a) only use it on one PC at a time, and b) take reasonable steps to prevent the software being used by others. I currently have it installed on 4 PCs in different locations and have disabled each one so that it cannot be used. I go to one location, enable the application with a password (this takes about 10s), use it and then disable it again. I repeat this at each location as required. The effect of this is the same as if I had installed it on a laptop and carried it around with me to each location. I believe that I am complying with both the letter and the spirit of the license as I only use it on one PC at a time and no-one else can use it. I intend to replace 2 of the PCs in a while. I expect to just remove it from the old ones and install it on the new ones using the same method outlined above. I have paid for a full single user license - is it reasonable for me to expect to be able to do this without any hassle? Has the change in licensing from MathSoft prevented me from changing to Mathcad 11 if I wish to continue my current arrangement? I bought a calculator - I don't expect it to lock me out after a period of time because my license to use it has expired. Mathcad is a big calculator - why should it be any different? Also for my car, shoes, camera, furniture etc (or should I be worried about them in the future!). Edwin Russell. 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[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Chris Whitford    Posted: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:31:00 +0000
What do you expect from a capitalist economy? You pay what the market will stand. Chris Whitford At 16:30 09/01/2003 +0000, you wrote: >It's worse than you thought. Here's a quote from the Mathcad Advisor >Newsletter, dated 08 January 2003: > >"New Support Policy in Effect > As of January 1, 2003, we no longer offer support services for Mathcad > Version 2001 and earlier. Technical support is available to all > registered users of Mathcad 2001i and Mathcad 11. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Chris Whitford University of Leicester + + Research Fellow Space Research Centre + + Tel: (44) 116 252 3496 Physics and Astronomy Department + + Fax: (44) 116 252 2464 University Road + + email: LEICESTER LE1 7RH + + http://www.star.le.ac.uk/ UK + +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Alexander, Rob    Posted: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:19:30 +1300
Fast forward to four or five years from now. You've developed lots of models in Mathcad 11, but because of continuing poor decisions like this, you've moved on to another product for your new work and don't buy upgrades any more. Suddenly you realize that you need some information from your old Mathcad models, or perhaps you need to revive them and run them again for a month or so rather than to redevelop the models in your new program. But wait. You'll have to get an activation code from Mathsoft to do it. Now look at all the things that could go wrong. 1. They may just not support that product any more. They just discontinued support for version 2001, so they're not giving you much of a lead time for support. You're either out of luck or you have to purchase a new version that you don't need. 2. They've been bought out by another company. (Seems unlikely? You'd have said that about others too... Lotus, Borland, Aston-Tate, etc.) Because the new company doesn't use the old company's database, they really can't confirm your ownership. Because they don't do stupid things like product activation any more, they don't know how to give you a key. You're out of luck. 3. Mathsoft continues to make bad decisions and just goes out of business. You're out of luck. My concern is walking down a path from which I cannot retreat. My files are currently in the format of a product that I can install at no additional cost as long as there are Intel-compatible PCs. Even if I don't keep using Mathcad for new stuff, I can always get to my old models and run them. But as soon as I converted a file to version 11, I would be at the mercy of Mathsoft to give me that code... today... next year... ten years from now. I would no longer control my work, but would be completely dependent on the existence and good will of Mathsoft. I will not travel down that path. I've used Mathcad since version 2.0, currently hold 57 licenses to version 2001i and have one copy of version 11 that I just received under my personal maintenance agreement (but have not installed). Version 2001i has C_Dilla, but did not require the independent permission of Mathsoft for me to use it. I can tuck away the CD along with my files and always be able to reinstall it and run them. Since I do not have that guarantee with version 11, I will just leave it in the box. The bottom line is that Mathsoft has just lost a long-standing customer as I will not buy another Mathsoft product as long as they have this policy. I'll continue to use 2001i until it no longer meets my needs and then I'll switch to a competing product. Vote with your wallets indeed; will you trust your careers to Mathsoft being there, ready to give you that number whenever you need it forever? I won't. -----Original Message----- From: Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2003 5:57 a.m. To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation A discussion of the Mathcad 11 activation process is available at http://support.mathsoft.com/activationFAQ.asp If you don't like activation then vote with your wallet. I personally will not buy software like Mathcad 11 and Windows XP that require activation. ********************************** * Thomas La Bone * * * * 803-952-9535 * ********************************** Mike Austin 01/07/2003 09:58 AM Please respond to mathcad To: Mathcad Discussion List cc: Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation In message <LIST?MANAGER-372271-145686-2003.01.06-14.52.16--mike#lamrim.org.uk@lists .adeptscience.co.uk>, Dave Powley writes > >Automatic on-line activation - fine. But can you "deactivate" it if >you want to transfer it to another machine ? Does it "on-line >deactivate" if you uninstall it ? Its not an experiment I want to try >! I can't find any references to deactivation in the documentation, or >on the FAQs on the Mathcad.com website. Does anyone have a reply to this question? I have Mathcad 11 on desktop and laptop. I have registered the desktop installation and got a license number. However, I have not registered the laptop. As I use this at work every day, am I liable to have a message pop up and tell me I cannot use it? On my laptop, on the Help --> About Mathcad dropdown, it doesn't say whether it's a fully-licensed version or a trial version. -- Mike Austin --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: /> --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: /> --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Dave Robinson    Posted: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:31:00 -0000
First the health warning, I was told the following information by a source that I implicitly trust - however I do not have the know-how to verify it, so I guess you must treat it as 'hear-say' evidence. Firstly at my recommendation, my source purchased a copy of MathCad, and installed it. Being a very cautious person he checked the state of his machine after installation, and discovered that something MathCad installed was eating up processing resources. He checked and discovered that a service had been installed at the very highest priority level, and runs continuously - whether he was using MathCad or not. Now here I may be guilty of scare mongering, because I don't quite remember whether he said "could" or "does", although I believe he said this service sets up a web communication port that actually bypasses any security such as firewalls or installed antivirus protection. So if my understanding, of his understanding is right, anyone running the latest version of MathCad is sitting there with a completely unprotected port attached to the internet whenever the computer goes on line. If this interpretation is correct, then this may well present a distinct security loophole. A custom virus sent in to this list (for example) could possibly take control of this port on anyone running the latest MathCad version, and allow access to your complete computer system at a higher privelege level than any of your security features. I guess any of us working on very secure projects should be aware of this possibility, or MathSoft should confirm that either I or my source have misunderstood the situation. Regards Dave Robinson --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation
Author: Stephen Lewis    Posted: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:46:58 -0000
MessageInteresting................. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Robinson /> Sent: 13 January 2003 10:31 To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11 activation First the health warning, I was told the following information by a source that I implicitly trust - however I do not have the know-how to verify it, so I guess you must treat it as 'hear-say' evidence. Firstly at my recommendation, my source purchased a copy of MathCad, and installed it. Being a very cautious person he checked the state of his machine after installation, and discovered that something MathCad installed was eating up processing resources. He checked and discovered that a service had been installed at the very highest priority level, and runs continuously - whether he was using MathCad or not. Now here I may be guilty of scare mongering, because I don't quite remember whether he said "could" or "does", although I believe he said this service sets up a web communication port that actually bypasses any security such as firewalls or installed antivirus protection. So if my understanding, of his understanding is right, anyone running the latest version of MathCad is sitting there with a completely unprotected port attached to the internet whenever the computer goes on line. If this interpretation is correct, then this may well present a distinct security loophole. A custom virus sent in to this list (for example) could possibly take control of this port on anyone running the latest MathCad version, and allow access to your complete computer system at a higher privelege level than any of your security features. I guess any of us working on very secure projects should be aware of this possibility, or MathSoft should confirm that either I or my source have misunderstood the situation. Regards Dave Robinson --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) --- The Mathcad List - Discussion, Support & News Contributions: /> Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com List Archive: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/ --- Would you like this to come to a different email address? --- Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: or --- If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: />

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