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[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility
Author: Tim Reilly    Posted: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:36:53 -0500
I work at Honeywell in Minneapolis and one of my friends went to mathcad 12; Honeywell stills has license servers for both versions. He has had problems with crashing with version 12 and mathsoft told him there is a memory management problem and gave him a batch file that he runs on startup. The other problem he has had was crashing due to graphics acceleration with mathcad 12. With the graphics acceleration set way back and the script he seems reasonably happy now. I own 11 at home and so I am staying with it at work so I don't have to remember to save stuff in 11 format when I go home. I have heard that the only good thing about 12 is the ability to put two graphs with different y axis scaling on a 2d plot. If you can't get the script out of mathsoft email me and I'll see if I can get it for you. Best Regards, Tim From: Snelling, Dave To: Mathcad Discussion List Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:12 PM Subject: [mathcad] Mathcad 11-12 compatibility Our research group is having continuing problems with opening Mathcad 11 files in Mathcad 12, to the point that I most members of the group have uninstalled version 12 and returned to version 11. These problems include files that cannot be opened without crashing Mathcad 12: "Application generated an exception that could not be handled". On other occasions the program does not crash but it stops calculating at some point in the sheet and it is necessary to find the offending statement and press F9. We have also had spline fits that will not calculate with an error message that some variable is imaginary. It is not. But the spline fit will not calculate until we specify the variable as real. There have been other problems, which I don't remember at the moment. Has anyone else encountered these kinds of difficulties? We have a large number of Mathcad 11 files so this is a real problem for us. So far Mathsoft technical support has been little help in solving these problems. The only problem they came up with a solution for is trying to open version 12 and getting a ""The instruction at "0x1025ae39" referenced memory at "0x0189c120" followed by Mathcad closing. The solution provided was: "The error message about "The instruction at "0x1025ae39" referenced memory at "0x0189c120" is a known MC 12 intermittent issue that is caused by corruption of Local Assembly cache. You can fix this by doing the following: (1) Close Mathcad. (2) In the following directory, C:\Documents and Settings\%username%\Local Settings\Mathsoft\Mathcad, delete the subdirectory called "12." The directory is called the "local assembly cache" and is recreated with clean files when you re-launch Mathcad. Please note that "Local Settings" is a hidden directory, so you may need to make your hidden folders visible using Tools/Folder Options/View." I would very much appreciate hearing the experience of other users. Dave Snelling Dr David R. Snelling Principal Research Officer NRC/ICPET/Combustion Research Building M9, 1200 Montreal Rd. Ottawa, ON, Canada K1A OR6 Phone (613) 993-0810 Fax (613) 957-7869 "dave.snelling" www.nrc.ca

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility
Author: Stuart Bruff    Posted: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:45:37 +0100
Dave, Yes, M11 and M12 do have a number of compatibility problems. If you use units in your worksheets, this is a possible source of errors, due to M12's static type checking mechanism. I haven't encountered many problems with M12 not opening files (I presume you're running M12.1?) but running them is a different matter. There has been some discussion of this issue in the Mathcad User Forum, and it might be worth your while reposting your question there .. or searching the messages. If you can provide examples of worksheets that fail, or code fragments that fail, that would be helpful in identifying the reasons (for a possible fix in M11) Stuart From: Snelling, Dave To: Mathcad Discussion List Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 2:12 AM Subject: [mathcad] Mathcad 11-12 compatibility Our research group is having continuing problems with opening Mathcad 11 files in Mathcad 12, to the point that I most members of the group have uninstalled version 12 and returned to version 11. These problems include files that cannot be opened without crashing Mathcad 12: "Application generated an exception that could not be handled". On other occasions the program does not crash but it stops calculating at some point in the sheet and it is necessary to find the offending statement and press F9. We have also had spline fits that will not calculate with an error message that some variable is imaginary. It is not. But the spline fit will not calculate until we specify the variable as real. There have been other problems, which I don't remember at the moment. Has anyone else encountered these kinds of difficulties? We have a large number of Mathcad 11 files so this is a real problem for us.

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility
Author: Sydney White    Posted: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:04:22 +0100
Dear Dr Snelling, I upgraded from V8 to version 12 in April and have experienced all the problems you report up to the present. I also see problems when editing formulae and general/strange action on the worksheet page that often shuts down MC or gives internal error message. I have been dealing with Adept Science who marker and support Mathcad in the UK, while help has been forthcoming, the problems have not been solved and is still ongoing. I have spoken with Mathsoft but without a satisfactory response, which may be version 13 perpetuating 12! I was also told that the program is used by aircraft designers without problems. I am using only surface transport until the problems are fixed!!! Andy Spragg placed an interesting e-mail concerning the equation editor and Chris Randall's response I recommend reading this. I hope these and other users comments with prompt a Fix from Mathsoft. Keep Happy Sydney --On Friday, July 29, 2005 9:12 PM -0400 "Snelling, Dave" "Dave.Snelling" wrote: >

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility
Author: Bill Brady    Posted: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:35:49 -0400
I am a longtime Mathcad user, going back to version 2.5 (Dos). My last upgrade was to version 2000, which I use at home with never a crash. My employer has version 2001 installed on a workstation, and three of us share this -- again, without a hitch. I became suspicious when Mathsoft released three versions of Mathcad within a year (2000, 2001, and 2001i) with very little value added per upgrade according to the press release(s). Along came version 11, and according to the Mathcad collaboratory this version took several patches and version mods to become stable. Apparently, just when they got the bugs out of version 11, Mathcad released version 12 (supposedly a complete re-write) and this is proving to be a disaster! The majority of users I've read refuse to fire 12 up -- relying instead on 11. In addition to being very buggy, apparently the extension packs won't work with version 12 requiring another upgrade to those. So Sydney, my advice is, unless you absolutely, positively require a feature version 12 has that version 8 doesn't (and I'd be hard pressed to believe there's a function in 12 that couldn't be hacked in 8), re-install your version 8 and be happy. If Mathsoft offers you (even at a bargain) version 13 -- if it's based on version 12, I believe you'd be throwing good money after bad. Mathsoft took an extremely reliable and enormously valuable program and managed to ruin it. Sincerely, Bill ________________________________ From: Sydney White "mailto:S.H.White" Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 6:04 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility Dear Dr Snelling, I upgraded from V8 to version 12 in April and have experienced all the problems you report up to the present. I also see problems when editing formulae and general/strange action on the worksheet page that often shuts down MC or gives internal error message. I have been dealing with Adept Science who marker and support Mathcad in the UK, while help has been forthcoming, the problems have not been solved and is still ongoing. I have spoken with Mathsoft but without a satisfactory response, which may be version 13 perpetuating 12! I was also told that the program is used by aircraft designers without problems. I am using only surface transport until the problems are fixed!!! Andy Spragg placed an interesting e-mail concerning the equation editor and Chris Randall's response I recommend reading this. I hope these and other users comments with prompt a Fix from Mathsoft. Keep Happy Sydney --On Friday, July 29, 2005 9:12 PM -0400 "Snelling, Dave" "Dave.Snelling" wrote: >

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility
Author: Mike Austin    Posted: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:21:51 +0100
In message <LIST!MANAGER-372271-685009-2005.08.15-09.29.53--mike#lamrim.org.uk@lists .adeptscience.co.uk>, Bill Brady "Bbrady" writes >I am a longtime Mathcad user, going back to version 2.5 (Dos). My last >upgrade was to version 2000, which I use at home with never a crash. My >employer has version 2001 installed on a workstation, and three of us >share this -- again, without a hitch. I became suspicious when Mathsoft >released three versions of Mathcad within a year (2000, 2001, and >2001i) with very little value added per upgrade according to the press >release(s). Along came version 11, and according to the Mathcad co >llaboratory this version took several patches and version mods to >become stable. Apparently, just when they got the bugs out of version >11, Mathcad released version 12 (supposedly a complete re-write) and >this is proving to be a disaster! The majority of users I've read >refuse to fire 12 up -- relying instead on 11. In addition to being >very buggy, apparently the extension packs won't work with version 12 >requiring another upgrade to those. >So Sydney, my advice is, unless you absolutely, positively require a >feature version 12 has that version 8 doesn't (and I'd be hard pressed >to believe there's a function in 12 that couldn't be hacked in 8), >re-install your version 8 and be happy. If Mathsoft offers you (even at >a bargain) version 13 -- if it's based on version 12, I believe you'd >be throwing good money after bad. Mathsoft took an extremely reliable >and enormously valuable program and managed to ruin it. I am also a long time Mathcad user (since version 2.0 Dos). Mathcad has been variable in its reliability since version 7 as far as I can recall. According to my experience, version 8 was so poor it was unusable. Then version 2000 was OK until I upgraded to Windows 2000 when it screwed up files with 11pt Times text. I skipped version 2001. Version 2001i had a few major bugs which were largely fixed with service packs. Version 11 was OK. There were service packs, but I did not experience the problems they fixed anyway. Version 12 was unusable until the service packs were installed. I mainly use 12.1 now, but sometimes revert to 11.2 because of compatibility. I found Mathcad 6 to be the most reliable. However, since having had to upgrade to 7, I have unwittingly had to subscribe to a constant version upgrade as fixes for bugs in earlier versions becomes phased out. Mathcad 13 is on the horizon. As far as I understand, it is possible to run Mathcad versions from 11 at the same time. From experience, I don't expect the first issue of a new Mathcad version to be reliable. Running Mathcad versions concurrently provides some safeguard against this. I would not recommend anyone to stay with version 8. If they can go for 11 or above, they can at least revert back to an earlier version format if there are any problems with later versions. -- Mike Austin

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility
Author: Zdenek Sedlacek    Posted: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:17:21 +0200
>I am a longtime Mathcad user, going back to version 2.5 (Dos). My last >upgrade was to version 2000, which I use at home with never a crash. I confirm that Mathcad 2000 (which I run on Windows 95 OSR2) is an extremely stable, reliable and useful program. Unfortunately several people claimed here that this version is not working on Windows XP. Therefore I leave things as they are and wait until a comparably stable new version appears (perhaps Mathcad 13? But remember Apollo 13!). Zdenek Sedlacek Dr Zdenek Sedlacek Institute of Plasma Physics phone: ++420-266 052 852 Academy of Sciences fax: ++420-286 586 389 Za Slovankou 3 e-mail: "sedlacek" CZ-182 00 Prague 8 Czech Republic home: ++420-251 641 487

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility
Author: Ericsson Tore    Posted: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:02:53 +0200
Referring to the last paragraph below, my comment is that if one's experience so far is not disastrous with any version, like 8 that we are running, keep it to protect yourself against unwanted surprises. Version 8 runs fairly OK on XP (though we regret upgrading from 6, and some patching is needed). Of course, all depends on applications actually employed. I believe that 8 will be our last version if we develop alternative solutions for the future (like Octave? - don't know yet). Tore Ericsson, PhD Skogforsk, Box 3 SE-918 21 Sävar, Sweden +46(90)2033355 (office) +46(90)2033360 (fax) +46(70)3198352 (mobile) "tore.ericsson" From: Mike Austin "mailto:mike" Sent: 15 augusti 2005 11:22 To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility In message <LIST!MANAGER-372271-685009-2005.08.15-09.29.53--mike#lamrim.org.uk@lists .adeptscience.co.uk>, Bill Brady "Bbrady" writes >I am a longtime Mathcad user, going back to version 2.5 (Dos). My last >upgrade was to version 2000, which I use at home with never a crash. My >employer has version 2001 installed on a workstation, and three of us >share this -- again, without a hitch. I became suspicious when Mathsoft >released three versions of Mathcad within a year (2000, 2001, and >2001i) with very little value added per upgrade according to the press >release(s). Along came version 11, and according to the Mathcad co >llaboratory this version took several patches and version mods to >become stable. Apparently, just when they got the bugs out of version >11, Mathcad released version 12 (supposedly a complete re-write) and >this is proving to be a disaster! The majority of users I've read >refuse to fire 12 up -- relying instead on 11. In addition to being >very buggy, apparently the extension packs won't work with version 12 >requiring another upgrade to those. So Sydney, my advice is, unless you >absolutely, positively require a feature version 12 has that version 8 >doesn't (and I'd be hard pressed to believe there's a function in 12 >that couldn't be hacked in 8), re-install your version 8 and be happy. >If Mathsoft offers you (even at a bargain) version 13 -- if it's based >on version 12, I believe you'd be throwing good money after bad. >Mathsoft took an extremely reliable and enormously valuable program and >managed to ruin it. I am also a long time Mathcad user (since version 2.0 Dos). Mathcad has been variable in its reliability since version 7 as far as I can recall. According to my experience, version 8 was so poor it was unusable. Then version 2000 was OK until I upgraded to Windows 2000 when it screwed up files with 11pt Times text. I skipped version 2001. Version 2001i had a few major bugs which were largely fixed with service packs. Version 11 was OK. There were service packs, but I did not experience the problems they fixed anyway. Version 12 was unusable until the service packs were installed. I mainly use 12.1 now, but sometimes revert to 11.2 because of compatibility. I found Mathcad 6 to be the most reliable. However, since having had to upgrade to 7, I have unwittingly had to subscribe to a constant version upgrade as fixes for bugs in earlier versions becomes phased out. Mathcad 13 is on the horizon. As far as I understand, it is possible to run Mathcad versions from 11 at the same time. From experience, I don't expect the first issue of a new Mathcad version to be reliable. Running Mathcad versions concurrently provides some safeguard against this. I would not recommend anyone to stay with version 8. If they can go for 11 or above, they can at least revert back to an earlier version format if there are any problems with later versions. -- Mike Austin

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility
Author: Andy Spragg    Posted: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:34:43 +0100
"If Mathsoft offers you (even at a bargain) version 13 -- if it's based on version 12, I believe you'd be throwing good money after bad. Mathsoft took an extremely reliable and enormously valuable program and managed to ruin it." I came back from holiday to find two billets doux from Mathsoft on my desk - one offering me (at a bargain) version 13 and the other inviting me to a free seminar to see it in action. So what am I supposed to do? How do we find out whether v13 is based on v12 or is another complete re-write? I have a months trial installation of v12 at the moment, and whilst I haven't had occasion to stress it seriously, I haven't had any problems with it either. But shortly I need to decide whether to revert (again) to v7 or lobby for a site upgrade to v13. Any thoughts? Andy "Bill Brady" "Bbrady" 04/08/2005 20:35 Please respond to "mathcad" To Mathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility I am a longtime Mathcad user, going back to version 2.5 (Dos). My last upgrade was to version 2000, which I use at home with never a crash. My employer has version 2001 installed on a workstation, and three of us share this -- again, without a hitch. I became suspicious when Mathsoft released three versions of Mathcad within a year (2000, 2001, and 2001i) with very little value added per upgrade according to the press release(s). Along came version 11, and according to the Mathcad collaboratory this version took several patches and version mods to become stable. Apparently, just when they got the bugs out of version 11, Mathcad released version 12 (supposedly a complete re-write) and this is proving to be a disaster! The majority of users I've read refuse to fire 12 up -- relying instead on 11. In addition to being very buggy, apparently the extension packs won't work with version 12 requiring another upgrade to those. So Sydney, my advice is, unless you absolutely, positively require a feature version 12 has that version 8 doesn't (and I'd be hard pressed to believe there's a function in 12 that couldn't be hacked in 8), re-install your version 8 and be happy. If Mathsoft offers you (even at a bargain) version 13 -- if it's based on version 12, I believe you'd be throwing good money after bad. Mathsoft took an extremely reliable and enormously valuable program and managed to ruin it. Sincerely, Bill From: Sydney White "mailto:S.H.White" Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 6:04 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility Dear Dr Snelling, I upgraded from V8 to version 12 in April and have experienced all the problems you report up to the present. I also see problems when editing formulae and general/strange action on the worksheet page that often shuts down MC or gives internal error message. I have been dealing with Adept Science who marker and support Mathcad in the UK, while help has been forthcoming, the problems have not been solved and is still ongoing. I have spoken with Mathsoft but without a satisfactory response, which may be version 13 perpetuating 12! I was also told that the program is used by aircraft designers without problems. I am using only surface transport until the problems are fixed!!! Andy Spragg placed an interesting e-mail concerning the equation editor and Chris Randall's response I recommend reading this. I hope these and other users comments with prompt a Fix from Mathsoft. Keep Happy Sydney --On Friday, July 29, 2005 9:12 PM -0400 "Snelling, Dave" "Dave.Snelling" wrote: > Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com Would you like this to come to a different email address? Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: "mailto:join-mathcad" or If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: "leave-mathcad-87206D" **************************************************************** Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM Limited and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. Please notify the sender of the error, delete all copies of them from your system and destroy any printed copies. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this email and any files transmitted with it. Please rely on your own anti-virus system. No responsibility is taken by RHM Limited and/or any of its subsidiaries for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. ****************************************************************

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility
Author: Austin, Mike    Posted: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:20:40 +0100
If Mathcad 11 were available to you, I would go for that. I found Mathcad 11.2a not too problematic. Since Mathcad 12, the earliest version you can save files to is 2001i. This leaves no possibility of reverting to Mathcad 7, should the need arise (one would need to remove later Mathcad installations to do this, of course). Because Mathcad versions from 11 onwards can run together on the same PC, my choice is to retain Mathcad 11, dump Mathcad 12 and go for Mathcad 13. I will continue to save duplicates of my work in Mathcad 11 format. I don't use any earlier version format now. If you cannot get hold of Mathcad 11, then only go for Mathcad 13 if it is offered with the option to save in version 7 format. That should cover all eventualities for you. STRESSWORK Mike AUSTIN on behalf of AIRBUS-UK for Department - ESASU NTC D2 09J Phone: +44 (0)117 936 2688 Fax: +44 (0)117 936 5474 Mailto: "Mike.Austin" From: "Andy.Spragg" "mailto:Andy.Spragg" Sent: 01 September 2005 10:35 To: Mathcad Discussion List Cc: "Christos.Kokkolis" "Peter.A.Sadd" "Peter.Towersey" "Chris.D.James" Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility "If Mathsoft offers you (even at a bargain) version 13 -- if it's based on version 12, I believe you'd be throwing good money after bad. Mathsoft took an extremely reliable and enormously valuable program and managed to ruin it." I came back from holiday to find two billets doux from Mathsoft on my desk - one offering me (at a bargain) version 13 and the other inviting me to a free seminar to see it in action. So what am I supposed to do? How do we find out whether v13 is based on v12 or is another complete re-write? I have a months trial installation of v12 at the moment, and whilst I haven't had occasion to stress it seriously, I haven't had any problems with it either. But shortly I need to decide whether to revert (again) to v7 or lobby for a site upgrade to v13. Any thoughts? Andy This e-mail is intended only for the above addressee. It may contain privileged information. If you are not the addressee you must not copy, distribute, disclose or use any of the information in it. If you have received it in error please delete it and immediately notify the sender. Security Notice: all e-mail, sent to or from this address, may be accessed by someone other than the recipient, for system management and security reasons. This access is controlled under Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, Lawful Business Practises.

[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility
Author: Oakley, Philip SELEX UK    Posted: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:10:33 +0100
V13 is built on a windows 2000/XP, Microsoft .NET base, just like V12. [so yes V13 is built on V13] Like other upgrades it has a few nice features and restores some of the less welcome V12 features to their previous status. [so V13 isn't always built on V12] A set of beta releases has been tested (I was on the programme), and we now have the start of V13 roll-out. If you need a feature you will upgrade quickly. If you don't have XP/2000 you can't anyway. The odds on a service release: well all other products and versions need them so ... I could still fire up my version 3 for Mac, but I don't. If you are still at V7 you may want to pick up some V11.2a copies going cheap(?) before then moving to V13 - If it is for your company see about an enterpise deal It is very cost effective, especially if you have a good number of occasional/rare users. Philip From: "Andy.Spragg" "mailto:Andy.Spragg" Sent: 01 September 2005 10:35 To: Mathcad Discussion List Cc: "Christos.Kokkolis" "Peter.A.Sadd" "Peter.Towersey" "Chris.D.James" Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility *** WARNING *** This mail has originated outside your organization, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. "If Mathsoft offers you (even at a bargain) version 13 -- if it's based on version 12, I believe you'd be throwing good money after bad. Mathsoft took an extremely reliable and enormously valuable program and managed to ruin it." I came back from holiday to find two billets doux from Mathsoft on my desk - one offering me (at a bargain) version 13 and the other inviting me to a free seminar to see it in action. So what am I supposed to do? How do we find out whether v13 is based on v12 or is another complete re-write? I have a months trial installation of v12 at the moment, and whilst I haven't had occasion to stress it seriously, I haven't had any problems with it either. But shortly I need to decide whether to revert (again) to v7 or lobby for a site upgrade to v13. Any thoughts? Andy "Bill Brady" "Bbrady" 04/08/2005 20:35 Please respond to "mathcad" To Mathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility I am a longtime Mathcad user, going back to version 2.5 (Dos). My last upgrade was to version 2000, which I use at home with never a crash. My employer has version 2001 installed on a workstation, and three of us share this -- again, without a hitch. I became suspicious when Mathsoft released three versions of Mathcad within a year (2000, 2001, and 2001i) with very little value added per upgrade according to the press release(s). Along came version 11, and according to the Mathcad collaboratory this version took several patches and version mods to become stable. Apparently, just when they got the bugs out of version 11, Mathcad released version 12 (supposedly a complete re-write) and this is proving to be a disaster! The majority of users I've read refuse to fire 12 up -- relying instead on 11. In addition to being very buggy, apparently the extension packs won't work with version 12 requiring another upgrade to those. So Sydney, my advice is, unless you absolutely, positively require a feature version 12 has that version 8 doesn't (and I'd be hard pressed to believe there's a function in 12 that couldn't be hacked in 8), re-install your version 8 and be happy. If Mathsoft offers you (even at a bargain) version 13 -- if it's based on version 12, I believe you'd be throwing good money after bad. Mathsoft took an extremely reliable and enormously valuable program and managed to ruin it. Sincerely, Bill _____ From: Sydney White "mailto:S.H.White" Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 6:04 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility Dear Dr Snelling, I upgraded from V8 to version 12 in April and have experienced all the problems you report up to the present. I also see problems when editing formulae and general/strange action on the worksheet page that often shuts down MC or gives internal error message. I have been dealing with Adept Science who marker and support Mathcad in the UK, while help has been forthcoming, the problems have not been solved and is still ongoing. I have spoken with Mathsoft but without a satisfactory response, which may be version 13 perpetuating 12! I was also told that the program is used by aircraft designers without problems. I am using only surface transport until the problems are fixed!!! Andy Spragg placed an interesting e-mail concerning the equation editor and Chris Randall's response I recommend reading this. I hope these and other users comments with prompt a Fix from Mathsoft. Keep Happy Sydney --On Friday, July 29, 2005 9:12 PM -0400 "Snelling, Dave" "Dave.Snelling" wrote: > Hosted by: Adept Scientific <http://www.adeptscience.com> http://www.adeptscience.com Would you like this to come to a different email address? Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: "mailto:join-mathcad" "mailto:join-mathcad" or If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: "leave-mathcad-87206D" _____ Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM Limited and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. 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[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility
Author: Ted Diehl    Posted: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:35:23 -0400
Andy, I have found V11, sp2a to be a very stable, feature-rich, and relatively fast version of MAthcad. Why not use that version? Ted Diehl "Andy.Spragg" om To 09/01/2005 05:34 Mathcad Discussion List AM "mathcad" cc "Christos.Kokkolis" Please respond to "Peter.A.Sadd" "mathcad" "Peter.Towersey" ptscience.com "Chris.D.James" Subject [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility "If Mathsoft offers you (even at a bargain) version 13 -- if it's based on version 12, I believe you'd be throwing good money after bad. Mathsoft took an extremely reliable and enormously valuable program and managed to ruin it." I came back from holiday to find two billets doux from Mathsoft on my desk - one offering me (at a bargain) version 13 and the other inviting me to a free seminar to see it in action. So what am I supposed to do? How do we find out whether v13 is based on v12 or is another complete re-write? I have a months trial installation of v12 at the moment, and whilst I haven't had occasion to stress it seriously, I haven't had any problems with it either. But shortly I need to decide whether to revert (again) to v7 or lobby for a site upgrade to v13. Any thoughts? Andy "Bill Brady" "Bbrady" To Mathcad Discussion List 04/08/2005 20:35 "mathcad" m> cc Please respond to "mathcad" Subject m [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility I am a longtime Mathcad user, going back to version 2.5 (Dos). My last upgrade was to version 2000, which I use at home with never a crash. My employer has version 2001 installed on a workstation, and three of us share this -- again, without a hitch. I became suspicious when Mathsoft released three versions of Mathcad within a year (2000, 2001, and 2001i) with very little value added per upgrade according to the press release(s). Along came version 11, and according to the Mathcad collaboratory this version took several patches and version mods to become stable. Apparently, just when they got the bugs out of version 11, Mathcad released version 12 (supposedly a complete re-write) and this is proving to be a disaster! The majority of users I've read refuse to fire 12 up -- relying instead on 11. In addition to being very buggy, apparently the extension packs won't work with version 12 requiring another upgrade to those. So Sydney, my advice is, unless you absolutely, positively require a feature version 12 has that version 8 doesn't (and I'd be hard pressed to believe there's a function in 12 that couldn't be hacked in 8), re-install your version 8 and be happy. If Mathsoft offers you (even at a bargain) version 13 -- if it's based on version 12, I believe you'd be throwing good money after bad. Mathsoft took an extremely reliable and enormously valuable program and managed to ruin it. Sincerely, Bill From: Sydney White "mailto:S.H.White" Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 6:04 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility Dear Dr Snelling, I upgraded from V8 to version 12 in April and have experienced all the problems you report up to the present. I also see problems when editing formulae and general/strange action on the worksheet page that often shuts down MC or gives internal error message. I have been dealing with Adept Science who marker and support Mathcad in the UK, while help has been forthcoming, the problems have not been solved and is still ongoing. I have spoken with Mathsoft but without a satisfactory response, which may be version 13 perpetuating 12! I was also told that the program is used by aircraft designers without problems. I am using only surface transport until the problems are fixed!!! Andy Spragg placed an interesting e-mail concerning the equation editor and Chris Randall's response I recommend reading this. I hope these and other users comments with prompt a Fix from Mathsoft. Keep Happy Sydney --On Friday, July 29, 2005 9:12 PM -0400 "Snelling, Dave" "Dave.Snelling" wrote: > Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com Would you like this to come to a different email address? Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: "mailto:join-mathcad" or If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: "leave-mathcad-87206D" Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM Limited and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. Please notify the sender of the error, delete all copies of them from your system and destroy any printed copies. 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[mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility
Author: Pergande, Albert N    Posted: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 08:20:11 -0400
Stay with 12. Al Pergande Senior Radar Engineer Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control MP 200 5600 Sandlake Road Orlando, Fl 32819 Voice 407-356-5169 Fax 407-356-0933 "albert.n.pergande" for personal mail - "al" _____ From: "Andy.Spragg" "mailto:Andy.Spragg" Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:35 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Cc: "Christos.Kokkolis" "Peter.A.Sadd" "Peter.Towersey" "Chris.D.James" Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility "If Mathsoft offers you (even at a bargain) version 13 -- if it's based on version 12, I believe you'd be throwing good money after bad. Mathsoft took an extremely reliable and enormously valuable program and managed to ruin it." I came back from holiday to find two billets doux from Mathsoft on my desk - one offering me (at a bargain) version 13 and the other inviting me to a free seminar to see it in action. So what am I supposed to do? How do we find out whether v13 is based on v12 or is another complete re-write? I have a months trial installation of v12 at the moment, and whilst I haven't had occasion to stress it seriously, I haven't had any problems with it either. But shortly I need to decide whether to revert (again) to v7 or lobby for a site upgrade to v13. Any thoughts? Andy "Bill Brady" "Bbrady" 04/08/2005 20:35 Please respond to "mathcad" To Mathcad Discussion List "mathcad" cc Subject [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility I am a longtime Mathcad user, going back to version 2.5 (Dos). My last upgrade was to version 2000, which I use at home with never a crash. My employer has version 2001 installed on a workstation, and three of us share this -- again, without a hitch. I became suspicious when Mathsoft released three versions of Mathcad within a year (2000, 2001, and 2001i) with very little value added per upgrade according to the press release(s). Along came version 11, and according to the Mathcad collaboratory this version took several patches and version mods to become stable. Apparently, just when they got the bugs out of version 11, Mathcad released version 12 (supposedly a complete re-write) and this is proving to be a disaster! The majority of users I've read refuse to fire 12 up -- relying instead on 11. In addition to being very buggy, apparently the extension packs won't work with version 12 requiring another upgrade to those. So Sydney, my advice is, unless you absolutely, positively require a feature version 12 has that version 8 doesn't (and I'd be hard pressed to believe there's a function in 12 that couldn't be hacked in 8), re-install your version 8 and be happy. If Mathsoft offers you (even at a bargain) version 13 -- if it's based on version 12, I believe you'd be throwing good money after bad. Mathsoft took an extremely reliable and enormously valuable program and managed to ruin it. Sincerely, Bill _____ From: Sydney White "mailto:S.H.White" Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 6:04 AM To: Mathcad Discussion List Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 11-12 compatibility Dear Dr Snelling, I upgraded from V8 to version 12 in April and have experienced all the problems you report up to the present. I also see problems when editing formulae and general/strange action on the worksheet page that often shuts down MC or gives internal error message. I have been dealing with Adept Science who marker and support Mathcad in the UK, while help has been forthcoming, the problems have not been solved and is still ongoing. I have spoken with Mathsoft but without a satisfactory response, which may be version 13 perpetuating 12! I was also told that the program is used by aircraft designers without problems. I am using only surface transport until the problems are fixed!!! Andy Spragg placed an interesting e-mail concerning the equation editor and Chris Randall's response I recommend reading this. I hope these and other users comments with prompt a Fix from Mathsoft. Keep Happy Sydney --On Friday, July 29, 2005 9:12 PM -0400 "Snelling, Dave" "Dave.Snelling" wrote: > Hosted by: Adept Scientific http://www.adeptscience.com <http://www.adeptscience.com> <http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/> Would you like this to come to a different email address? Simply leave the mailing list (see below) and re-join by sending a blank email from the new address to: "mailto:join-mathcad" "mailto:join-mathcad" or If you do not want to be on the Mathcad list, simply send a blank email (no subject or message needed) to: "leave-mathcad-87206D" _____ Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily of RHM Limited and/or any of its subsidiaries. This email and any files transmitted with it are private, may be confidential and are for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received them in error. 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