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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: G Schouteten
Posted: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:14:01 +0200
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I had a similar problem with MCAD 12, especially the requests for re-verification. I was never able to determine a cause for it and finally I re-installed 2001i, which I have been using ever since to my full satisfaction. (I am running XP PRO on my system.)
Although I have purchased version 13, I will definitely not install it (unless someone threatens physical violence) for fear of encountering the same problems. Your experience obviously proves me right.
With best regards,
Guus Schouteten
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: AUSTIN, Mike
Posted: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:46:55 +0100
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It sounds like you may have a disk problem. There are utilities to save the MBR and create disk images. These are useful to have whether you use Mathcad or not. I would definitely not recommend 2001i. If you have purchased Mathcad 13, you are entitled to support. Have you contacted Mathsoft for help?
STRESSWORK
Mike AUSTIN
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for Department - ESASU
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Fax: +44 (0)117 936 5474
Mailto: "Mike.Austin"
From: G. Schouteten "mailto:Guus.Schouteten"
Sent: 07 April 2006 09:14
To: Mathcad Discussion List
Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption?
I had a similar problem with MCAD 12, especially the requests for re-verification. I was never able to determine a cause for it and finally I re-installed 2001i, which I have been using ever since to my full satisfaction. (I am running XP PRO on my system.)
Although I have purchased version 13, I will definitely not install it (unless someone threatens physical violence) for fear of encountering the same problems. Your experience obviously proves me right.
With best regards,
Guus Schouteten
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: Mark Starnes
Posted: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:05:32 +0100
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I am experiencing a similar problem with MCad 12 - for almost a year
it's been fine then, two weeks ago the requests for re-verification
started. After two or three of these episodes with automatic fixing
occurring, the automatic fix refused to work saying I'd had too many
automatic fixes (or something like that). I contacted MathCad
activation, explaining that I could no longer work given MCad has
stopped functioning. Several hours later I got a reply stating they
were passing my details to Adept Scientific in the UK as they didn't
handle UK requests.<br>
<br>
I have been waiting for a reactivation code ever since (that was two
days ago). Actually I gave up, got a colleague to convert my files to
2001i format and have been using 2001i ever since. Of course, the
format of the documents changed, causing more lost time.<br>
<br>
I will never purchase another Mathsoft product and am actively seeking
a replacement for this awful software. I would recommend that anybody
considering performing work in it to research other options. There may
come a time when you cannot access all the work you've done for the
last year too.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Mark Starnes.<br>
<br>
G. Schouteten wrote:
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: Jason Morris
Posted: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:39:58 -0500
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I have heard the same complaints as well. I have been toying around with
Scilab/Scios and OCTAVE because they are open-source and I won't have to
shell out money for MathSoft products which, obviously, don't work.
Regards
Jason Morris
________________________________
From: Mark Starnes "mailto:m.starnes"
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 9:06 AM
To: Mathcad Discussion List
Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption?
I am experiencing a similar problem with MCad 12 - for almost a year
it's been fine then, two weeks ago the requests for re-verification
started. After two or three of these episodes with automatic fixing
occurring, the automatic fix refused to work saying I'd had too many
automatic fixes (or something like that). I contacted MathCad
activation, explaining that I could no longer work given MCad has
stopped functioning. Several hours later I got a reply stating they
were passing my details to Adept Scientific in the UK as they didn't
handle UK requests.
I have been waiting for a reactivation code ever since (that was two
days ago). Actually I gave up, got a colleague to convert my files to
2001i format and have been using 2001i ever since. Of course, the
format of the documents changed, causing more lost time.
I will never purchase another Mathsoft product and am actively seeking a
replacement for this awful software. I would recommend that anybody
considering performing work in it to research other options. There may
come a time when you cannot access all the work you've done for the last
year too.
Kind regards,
Mark Starnes.
G. Schouteten wrote:
I had a similar problem with MCAD 12, especially the requests for
re-verification. I was never able to determine a cause for it and
finally I re-installed 2001i, which I have been using ever since to my
full satisfaction. (I am running XP PRO on my system.)
Although I have purchased version 13, I will definitely not install it
(unless someone threatens physical violence) for fear of encountering
the same problems. Your experience obviously proves me right.
With best regards,
Guus Schouteten
--
________________________________________________
Mark Starnes
Research Student
Direct: +44 (0)20 7594 1976
Rm 362D, Department of Aeronautics (personal)
General office, Department of Aeronautics (deliveries)
Imperial College London
Prince Consort Road
London SW7 2AZ
+44 (0)20 7594 5100
________________________________________________
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it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: Aldo P Solari
Posted: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:07:20 +0100
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Jason Jason Jason: what are we going to do with you ? :-)
Scilab ? Come'on ...
And when things dont work: who are you going to blame ? :-)
Cheers!
W/best wishes,
Aldo P. Solari (fisheries biologist)
"asolari" (academic matters)
"aldo.p.solari" (private matters)
Home: www.ulpgc.es/webs/ffresearch-solaris
(U. of) Las Palmas, Canary Islands [10/04/2006, 12:03 GMT]
Original message:
"jason.morris" wrote [07/04/2006, 21:39]:
JM> I have heard the same complaints as well. I have been toying
JM> around with Scilab/Scios and OCTAVE because they are open-source
JM> and I won't have to shell out money for MathSoft products which,
JM> obviously, don't work.
JM> Regards
JM> Jason Morris
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: Aldo P Solari
Posted: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:02:24 +0100
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Jesper, you may be right on that most Windows related problems are to
be blamed to MSoft. True.
HOWEVER, the C_Dilla thing (and all the problems, production stops,
etc. it implies) is *solely* due to MathSoft. In the long run, this
issue may come to cost the life of the package, so to say.
The MathSoft CEO who decided to incorporate C_Dilla deserves ... let
me see: a big kick in the butt with a large US Army boot - no, wait,
not an Army but a Marine boot :P
Cheers!
W/best wishes,
Aldo P. Solari (fisheries biologist)
"asolari" (academic matters)
"aldo.p.solari" (private matters)
Home: www.ulpgc.es/webs/ffresearch-solaris
(U. of) Las Palmas, Canary Islands [10/04/2006, 11:54 GMT]
Original message:
"jgu" wrote [08/04/2006, 15:30]:
GJ> Dear Mark
GJ> Before you blame mathsoft, you should consider, whether another
GJ> culprit could be to blame, ie Microsoft, by not making the
GJ> crucial details of the operating system completely transparent,
GJ> and by not being fully backwards compatible, and by cripling
GJ> well-functioning software each time the windows system is
GJ> updated. Effectively, Microsoft may be to blame for cripling
GJ> really innovative software developpers as Mathsoft.
GJ> It's hard to prove, but those of us who have a long experience can't
GJ> help to suspect, that is what is going on. Each time I get a new patch
GJ> for windows, there is a risk that well-functioning software suddenly
GJ> stops working, . I continue to use Mathcad, it's a marveilous product,
GJ> for research and analysis. But have some times to use earlier versions,
GJ> such as the very efficient version 7 (allthough I have later versions)
GJ> for critical applications.
GJ> best regards
GJ> Jesper Gundermann
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: Pergande, Albert N
Posted: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:26:17 -0400
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Better idea - make him debug it.
Al Pergande
Senior Radar Engineer
Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control
MP 200
5600 Sandlake Road
Orlando, Fl 32819
Voice 407-356-5169
Fax 407-356-0933
"albert.n.pergande"
for personal mail - "al"
From: Aldo P. Solari "mailto:aldo.p.solari"
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:02 AM
To: Mathcad Discussion List
Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption?
Jesper, you may be right on that most Windows related problems are to be
blamed to MSoft. True.
HOWEVER, the C_Dilla thing (and all the problems, production stops,
etc. it implies) is *solely* due to MathSoft. In the long run, this
issue may come to cost the life of the package, so to say.
The MathSoft CEO who decided to incorporate C_Dilla deserves ... let me
see: a big kick in the butt with a large US Army boot - no, wait, not an
Army but a Marine boot :P
Cheers!
W/best wishes,
Aldo P. Solari (fisheries biologist)
"asolari" (academic matters)
"aldo.p.solari" (private matters)
Home: www.ulpgc.es/webs/ffresearch-solaris
(U. of) Las Palmas, Canary Islands [10/04/2006, 11:54 GMT]
Original message:
"jgu" wrote [08/04/2006, 15:30]:
GJ> Dear Mark
GJ> Before you blame mathsoft, you should consider, whether another
GJ> culprit could be to blame, ie Microsoft, by not making the
GJ> crucial details of the operating system completely transparent,
GJ> and by not being fully backwards compatible, and by cripling
GJ> well-functioning software each time the windows system is
GJ> updated. Effectively, Microsoft may be to blame for cripling
GJ> really innovative software developpers as Mathsoft.
GJ> It's hard to prove, but those of us who have a long experience can't
GJ> help to suspect, that is what is going on. Each time I get a new
GJ> patch for windows, there is a risk that well-functioning software
GJ> suddenly stops working, . I continue to use Mathcad, it's a
GJ> marveilous product, for research and analysis. But have some times
GJ> to use earlier versions, such as the very efficient version 7
GJ> (allthough I have later versions) for critical applications.
GJ> best regards
GJ> Jesper Gundermann
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: Gray, Steven G
Posted: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:09:41 -0400
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I like the marine boot idea better, though a public flogging is also
high on my list. Software companies that insist on vile copy protection
schemes deserve to fail- and ultimately will whether they deserve it or
not. The right answer is to eliminate it, not debug it.
Steven Gray
Lockheed Martin Radar Engineering
From: Pergande, Albert N
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:26 AM
To: Mathcad Discussion List
Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption?
Better idea - make him debug it.
Al Pergande
Senior Radar Engineer
Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control MP 200 5600 Sandlake Road
Orlando, Fl 32819
Voice 407-356-5169
Fax 407-356-0933
"albert.n.pergande"
for personal mail - "al"
From: Aldo P. Solari "mailto:aldo.p.solari"
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:02 AM
To: Mathcad Discussion List
Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption?
Jesper, you may be right on that most Windows related problems are to be
blamed to MSoft. True.
HOWEVER, the C_Dilla thing (and all the problems, production stops,
etc. it implies) is *solely* due to MathSoft. In the long run, this
issue may come to cost the life of the package, so to say.
The MathSoft CEO who decided to incorporate C_Dilla deserves ... let me
see: a big kick in the butt with a large US Army boot - no, wait, not an
Army but a Marine boot :P
Cheers!
W/best wishes,
Aldo P. Solari (fisheries biologist)
"asolari" (academic matters)
"aldo.p.solari" (private matters)
Home: www.ulpgc.es/webs/ffresearch-solaris
(U. of) Las Palmas, Canary Islands [10/04/2006, 11:54 GMT]
Original message:
"jgu" wrote [08/04/2006, 15:30]:
GJ> Dear Mark
GJ> Before you blame mathsoft, you should consider, whether another
GJ> culprit could be to blame, ie Microsoft, by not making the
GJ> crucial details of the operating system completely transparent,
GJ> and by not being fully backwards compatible, and by cripling
GJ> well-functioning software each time the windows system is
GJ> updated. Effectively, Microsoft may be to blame for cripling
GJ> really innovative software developpers as Mathsoft.
GJ> It's hard to prove, but those of us who have a long experience can't
GJ> help to suspect, that is what is going on. Each time I get a new
GJ> patch for windows, there is a risk that well-functioning software
GJ> suddenly stops working, . I continue to use Mathcad, it's a
GJ> marveilous product, for research and analysis. But have some times
GJ> to use earlier versions, such as the very efficient version 7
GJ> (allthough I have later versions) for critical applications.
GJ> best regards
GJ> Jesper Gundermann
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: Wayne Covington
Posted: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:55:56 -0600
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Mcad 11 gave me all kinds of grief. Acronis Disk Director Suite 10
revealed that it writes a bunch of license-related stuff on absolute
sector 32. And now Mcad is not on my PC anymore. I would consider Mcad
again if they offered a single user FlexLM license in place of C_Dilla
(AKA the licensing system from Hell) at no additional cost.
Wayne
Quang-Viet Nguyen wrote:
> This question may be related to the earlier C_Dilla discussion. I
> have recently installed Mathcad 13 on my XP Prof. system (system was
> stable and working fine for 12 months until Mcad 13). Everything
> seemed to work fine for a few days and then for some unknown reason, I
> was prompted by Mcad to perform a new software key verification
> because the existing key was damaged. After Mcad reverified the key
> via the web, my computer would not boot - just a blinking white cursor
> on a black screen.
>
> I suspected that the master boot record (MBR) got corrupted. The
> computer system technicians came and repaired the MBR. While the
> technicians were there, I tried running Mcad again, and it asked to
> re-verify, this time however, my licenses had been used up and I could
> not run Mcad anymore. However, I think Mcad still accessed the MBR
> and did something because the same problem with the corrupted MBR
> occurred again. I had to fix the MBR again.
>
> Has anyone else had any similar problems? Or could it be linked to
> the use of Mcad with other software on my system?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Viet Nguyen
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: Oakley, Philip SELEX UK
Posted: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:53:03 +0100
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Talk to Mathcad/mathsoft/adept. As far as I know there is no problem in getting a nodelocked FlexLM version at no change in cost. It is a normal package option, probably classed as an 'Enterprise vesrion'
Philip
From: Wayne Covington "mailto:wcovington"
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:56 AM
To: Mathcad Discussion List
Subject: [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption?
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Mcad 11 gave me all kinds of grief. Acronis Disk Director Suite 10
revealed that it writes a bunch of license-related stuff on absolute
sector 32. And now Mcad is not on my PC anymore. I would consider Mcad
again if they offered a single user FlexLM license in place of C_Dilla
(AKA the licensing system from Hell) at no additional cost.
Wayne
Quang-Viet Nguyen wrote:
> This question may be related to the earlier C_Dilla discussion. I
> have recently installed Mathcad 13 on my XP Prof. system (system was
> stable and working fine for 12 months until Mcad 13). Everything
> seemed to work fine for a few days and then for some unknown reason, I
> was prompted by Mcad to perform a new software key verification
> because the existing key was damaged. After Mcad reverified the key
> via the web, my computer would not boot - just a blinking white cursor
> on a black screen.
>
> I suspected that the master boot record (MBR) got corrupted. The
> computer system technicians came and repaired the MBR. While the
> technicians were there, I tried running Mcad again, and it asked to
> re-verify, this time however, my licenses had been used up and I could
> not run Mcad anymore. However, I think Mcad still accessed the MBR
> and did something because the same problem with the corrupted MBR
> occurred again. I had to fix the MBR again.
>
> Has anyone else had any similar problems? Or could it be linked to
> the use of Mcad with other software on my system?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Viet Nguyen
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: Laurent Muller
Posted: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:46:49 -0500
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At 09:55 PM 4/10/2006, you wrote:
>Mcad 11 gave me all kinds of grief. Acronis Disk Director Suite 10
>revealed that it writes a bunch of license-related stuff on absolute
>sector 32. And now Mcad is not on my PC anymore. I would consider Mcad
>again if they offered a single user FlexLM license in place of C_Dilla
>(AKA the licensing system from Hell) at no additional cost.
>
>Wayne
>
What did you replace MCad with?
Laurent
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: Mark Starnes
Posted: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:30:23 +0100
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Just to let the group know, Adept contacted me, provided a new key and
were helpful in getting the software working again. Still, days of work
were lost due to a failed license (partly due to a weekend, partly due
to communication problems) and some P.R. damage was done. It is my
feeling that the licensing method employed needs reviewing. There must
be alternatives that would generate less ill feeling from those who have
purchased the software. Perhaps the node locked option mentioned in
previous posts should be available as an option during installation.
Mathsoft - please be advised that some of your customers are being
alienated by your choice of licensing.
Good luck everyone and thanks for the discussion. I remain interested
in all open source alternatives.
Regards,
Mark Starnes.
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: Mike Austin
Posted: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:16:37 +0100
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Mark Starnes "m.starnes" writes
>Just to let the group know, Adept contacted me, provided a new key and
>were helpful in getting the software working again. Still, days of
>work were lost due to a failed license (partly due to a weekend, partly
>due to communication problems) and some P.R. damage was done. It is my
>feeling that the licensing method employed needs reviewing. There
>must be alternatives that would generate less ill feeling from those
>who have purchased the software.
I agree. Adept were very helpful getting me going again after I replaced
a hard disk. However, a weekend was wasted before I could get help.
Perhaps users could be switched back to the free trial period until they
can get help.
--
Mike Austin
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Steen_Gro=F0e?=
Posted: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:07:32 +0200
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>
> Perhaps users could be switched back to the free trial period until they
> can get help.
I haven't tried but I think this will happen if you changes harddisc. You'll
loose all information in both the registry and sector 20H so it will look as if
everything is completely new. But if you ghost the new harddrive you'll get
bad information onto the new ie. no new trial period. I guess that the cure is
to clear sector 20H to have a new trial period. You may even clear the
sector information in the ghost or just never include it in the ghost.
Med venlig hilsen
:-) Steen Groðe
http://www.grode.dk
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| [mathcad] Re: Mathcad 13 and MBR corruption? |
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Author: Mike Austin
Posted: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:31:17 +0100
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Steen Groðe "steen" writes
>
>> Perhaps users could be switched back to the free trial period until they
>> can get help.
>
>I haven't tried but I think this will happen if you changes harddisc. You'll
>loose all information in both the registry and sector 20H so it will look as if
>everything is completely new. But if you ghost the new harddrive you'll get
>bad information onto the new ie. no new trial period. I guess that the cure is
>to clear sector 20H to have a new trial period. You may even clear the
>sector information in the ghost or just never include it in the ghost.
I imaged the old disk and restored to the new disk using DriveImage when
I changed disks. In practice, for a large software installation, I don't
know how one would change disks otherwise.
If Ghost can erase sector 20H, could one effectively have a 'permanent'
free trial? What is the price difference between Ghost and Mathcad?
--
Mike Austin
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| [mathcad] Re: MathCad 13 determinant does not work. Worked fine
in 12. V13 fix advised. Update. |
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Author: Mark Starnes
Posted: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:50:13 +0100
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Hi again. Further to yesterdays post, on loading this morning the same
error came back - fixed in the same way. It appears reloading the
script restores the error. Can anyone suggest a solution?
Regards,
Mark.
Mark Starnes wrote:
> Hello to the group.
>
> Following my previous adventure with MCad 12 licensing (see a previous
> post) I had the opportunity to upgrade (via my workplace) to 13. I
> did so, loaded my sheets and found documents working in v12 no longer
> functioned in v13. One fix I found that may help others is that the
> calculation of matrix determinant, achieved using the '|' character
> around the variable no longer works inside programs when the keyboard
> short-cut is used. Using the determinant button seems to work ok.
>
> Perhaps somebody from Mathsoft can explain why the keyboard short-cut
> that is advised by the determinant button does not work inside
> programs but is fine outside of them.
>
> Good luck everyone.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Starnes.
>
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