Re: Ibid, Word v.X and Mac OS X 10.3.3

Author: Guillaume Daudin Posted: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:05:53 +0200

Leanne : thank you for you answer.

But yes, I have done that (and I just tried again). The problem is not
only for my own customized styles, but also for every "pre-packaged"
style I have used (as Chicago 14 A and B).

I have even tried another document / making a new library / using
another computer (with a different operating system !) to no avail.

I should add I am using Endnote 7 : maybe it is a problem only with this
version ?

Guillaume Daudin
Economist
OFCE, Paris

Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:32:21 -0500
From: "Wiedemann, Leanne" /> Subject: RE: Ibid, Word v. X and Mac OS X 10.3.3

Have you looked at your style and modified the footnotes template
section to say "use Footnote format" and in the repeated citations
section, I assume you modified the Special handling section
appropriately?
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From: Guillaume Daudin
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 4:11 AM
To: /> Subject: Ibid, Word v. X and Mac OS X 10.3.3

Hi,

I am having a strange problem : whatever I choose as a style, whatever
changes I make to it, I cannot get Endnote to treat consecutive
footnotes references with "Ibid".

Has anyone run into this problem ? Any clue on what I can do ?

Thanks,

Guillaume Daudin

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RE: Ibid, Word v.X and Mac OS X 10.3.3

Author: Wiedemann, Leanne Posted: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:44:48 -0500

What if you take off the first option, use short form. Does it work then?
It does in my set up (word xp, endnote 7)

-----Original Message-----
From: Guillaume Daudin [mailto:
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:06 AM
To: /> Subject: Re: Ibid, Word v.X and Mac OS X 10.3.3

Leanne : thank you for you answer.

But yes, I have done that (and I just tried again). The problem is not only
for my own customized styles, but also for every "pre-packaged" style I have
used (as Chicago 14 A and B).

I have even tried another document / making a new library / using another
computer (with a different operating system !) to no avail.

I should add I am using Endnote 7 : maybe it is a problem only with this
version ?

Guillaume Daudin
Economist
OFCE, Paris

Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:32:21 -0500
From: "Wiedemann, Leanne" /> Subject: RE: Ibid, Word v. X and Mac OS X 10.3.3

Have you looked at your style and modified the footnotes template section to
say "use Footnote format" and in the repeated citations section, I assume
you modified the Special handling section appropriately?
- - ----Original Message-----
From: Guillaume Daudin
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 4:11 AM
To: /> Subject: Ibid, Word v. X and Mac OS X 10.3.3

Hi,

I am having a strange problem : whatever I choose as a style, whatever
changes I make to it, I cannot get Endnote to treat consecutive footnotes
references with "Ibid".

Has anyone run into this problem ? Any clue on what I can do ?

Thanks,

Guillaume Daudin

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Re: Ibid, Word v.X and Mac OS X 10.3.3

Author: Guillaume Daudin Posted: Thu, 13 May 2004 07:29:14 +0200

Hi,

I had tried every setting to not effect (even on a windows version of
endnote and word).

But I am happy to report that I have now found a workaround : I have
formatted the document with endnote 4, same library, same style (but
Word 2001 and Mac OS 9.) : this time it worked. I then unformated the
citations, then I moved back to endnote 7 and word v.X : it worked
(well, except I have a difficult with the way it treats cited pages
(i.e. it doesn't) but that is easy to solve (take the page references
out of the field)).

I realize that sounds more like mojo mojo than serious computer
troubleshooting, but, hey, if it worked (maybe something happened that
I did not notice), why not ?

Thank you for your help,

Guillaume

Le 13 mai 04, à 00:44, Wiedemann, Leanne a écrit :

> What if you take off the first option, use short form. Does it work
> then? It does in my set up (word xp, endnote 7)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Daudin [mailto:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 2:06 AM
> To: /> > Subject: Re: Ibid, Word v.X and Mac OS X 10.3.3
>
>
> Leanne : thank you for you answer.
>
> But yes, I have done that (and I just tried again). The problem is not
> only for my own customized styles, but also for every "pre-packaged"
> style I have used (as Chicago 14 A and B).
>
> I have even tried another document / making a new library / using
> another computer (with a different operating system !) to no avail.
>
> I should add I am using Endnote 7 : maybe it is a problem only with
> this version ?
>
> Guillaume Daudin
> Economist
> OFCE, Paris
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:32:21 -0500
> From: "Wiedemann, Leanne" /> > Subject: RE: Ibid, Word v. X and Mac OS X 10.3.3
>
> Have you looked at your style and modified the footnotes template
> section to say "use Footnote format" and in the repeated citations
> section, I assume you modified the Special handling section
> appropriately?
> - - ----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Daudin /> > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 4:11 AM
> To: /> > Subject: Ibid, Word v. X and Mac OS X 10.3.3
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am having a strange problem : whatever I choose as a style, whatever
> changes I make to it, I cannot get Endnote to treat consecutive
> footnotes references with "Ibid".
>
> Has anyone run into this problem ? Any clue on what I can do ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Guillaume Daudin
>
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> À : /> > Objet : endnote-interest-digest V1 #1578
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RE: Ibid, Word v.X and Mac OS X 10.3.3

Author: Wiedemann, Leanne Posted: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:26:27 -0500

Did you ever unformat everything and reformat? I sometimes have a problem
that already formatted references don't get updated, when I make a change to
the style, and it was especially a problem when I was in an upgrade phase;
manuscripts that had been worked on with an older version of Word or Endnote
combinations didn't format properly, until I selected all, unformatted and
reformatted the references. Maybe that explains the mojo mojo at work here?

-----Original Message-----
From: Guillaume Daudin
Hi,

But I am happy to report that I have now found a workaround : I have
formatted the document with endnote 4, same library, same style (but
Word 2001 and Mac OS 9.) : this time it worked. I then unformated the
citations, then I moved back to endnote 7 and word v.X : it worked
(well, except I have a difficult with the way it treats cited pages
(i.e. it doesn't) but that is easy to solve (take the page references
out of the field)).

I realize that sounds more like mojo mojo than serious computer
troubleshooting, but, hey, if it worked (maybe something happened that
I did not notice), why not ?

Thank you for your help,

Guillaume

Le 13 mai 04, à 00:44, Wiedemann, Leanne a écrit :
> - - ----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Daudin
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 4:11 AM
> To: /> > Subject: Ibid, Word v. X and Mac OS X 10.3.3
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am having a strange problem : whatever I choose as a style, whatever
> changes I make to it, I cannot get Endnote to treat consecutive
> footnotes references with "Ibid".
>
> Guillaume Daudin
>

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Re: Ibid, Word v.X and Mac OS X 10.3.3

Author: Guillaume Daudin Posted: Mon, 17 May 2004 12:41:20 +0200

Hi,

Yes, I had. So that does not seem to be the key (I did spend 4 hours
with the document before moving to the Endnote 4 "solution")

I agree with you it sometimes solves problems.

Might it be the case that even after unformatting Endnote 7 leaves
something behind that constrains the next formatting ? (and that
Endnote 4 does not take into account, thanksfully ?) But that seems
strange.

Guillaume

>
>
> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:26:27 -0500
> From: "Wiedemann, Leanne" /> > Subject: RE: Ibid, Word v.X and Mac OS X 10.3.3
>
> Did you ever unformat everything and reformat? I sometimes have a
> problem
> that already formatted references don't get updated, when I make a
> change to
> the style, and it was especially a problem when I was in an upgrade
> phase;
> manuscripts that had been worked on with an older version of Word or
> Endnote
> combinations didn't format properly, until I selected all, unformatted
> and
> reformatted the references. Maybe that explains the mojo mojo at work
> here?
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Guillaume Daudin
> Hi,
>
> But I am happy to report that I have now found a workaround : I have
> formatted the document with endnote 4, same library, same style (but
> Word 2001 and Mac OS 9.) : this time it worked. I then unformated the
> citations, then I moved back to endnote 7 and word v.X : it worked
> (well, except I have a difficult with the way it treats cited pages
> (i.e. it doesn't) but that is easy to solve (take the page references
> out of the field)).
>
> I realize that sounds more like mojo mojo than serious computer
> troubleshooting, but, hey, if it worked (maybe something happened that
> I did not notice), why not ?
>
> Thank you for your help,
>
> Guillaume
>
>
> Le 13 mai 04, à 00:44, Wiedemann, Leanne a écrit :
>> - - ----Original Message-----
>> From: Guillaume Daudin
>> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 4:11 AM
>> To: /> >> Subject: Ibid, Word v. X and Mac OS X 10.3.3
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am having a strange problem : whatever I choose as a style, whatever
>> changes I make to it, I cannot get Endnote to treat consecutive
>> footnotes references with "Ibid".
>>
>> Guillaume Daudin
>>
>
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> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:49:24 -0400
> From: "Marshall Feldman" /> > Subject: RE: synching endnote files between two computers?
>
> Christopher King wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:20:48 +1000
>> From: Christopher King /> >> Subject: RE: synching endnote files between two computers?
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have been synchronising EN libraries between multiple
>> computers using software called Second Copy -
>> http://www.centered.com/ Chris
>>
>
> I don't think this does it.
>
> Suppose you have an Endnote library at work and copy it to your home
> computer. That evening you add 4 new references to the file at home.
> The
> next morning, you go into work, and add 10 new references to the file
> at
> work. Now the two libraries are no longer identical. What you want is a
> simple way to combine the two files back into one identical file on
> each
> computer. You want to update the library at home to add the 10 new
> references there, and you want to update the file at work to add the 4
> from
> home. Moreover, you want the two files to have identical record
> numbers --
> any specific reference has the same reference number in both files.
> Finally,
> documents using references from either library will be interchangeable.
>
> Synchronization software like this usually does nothing more than take
> the
> latest version of a file and make sure that all systems have it. In the
> scenario above, the work library will clobber the home library, and you
> would lose the four new references.
>
> Marsh Feldman
>
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> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:51:29 +1000
> From: Christopher King /> > Subject: RE: synching endnote files between two computers?
>
> Hi Marsh,
> The way it works is that as you say, you have an Endnote library at
> work and
> copy it to your home
> computer. However, the way you do it is to first use the synchronizing
> software to copy the EN library from your work computer to movable
> media
> like a memory stick. Now you have two identical copies. If you change
> the EN
> library on either the computer or the media and run the software it
> will
> compare the two and replace the oldest with the newest. Importantly,
> it will
> also not delete the older library,computer but move it to an archive
> (you
> may have up to 25 copies in the archive). Now, you take the latest
> version
> of the library home and run the software on your home and it will check
> what's on the media against what is on the home computer and replace
> the
> older with the newer library, and again it will move the older library
> to
> the archive on your home computer. The difference between this
> arrangement
> and your scenario is that you are moving the EN libraries between the
> two
> computers, the older libraries are not being clobbered, and the record
> numbers remain the same because you are always working with the latest
> version of the the original library. I've been doing it for years and
> it
> works perfectly as long as you maintain the routine of doing the sync
> before you move to the alternative computer.
> Chris
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: /> > Behalf Of Marshall Feldman
> Sent: Friday, 14 May 2004 5:49 AM
> To: /> > Subject: RE: synching endnote files between two computers?
>
>
> Christopher King wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 18:20:48 +1000
>> From: Christopher King /> >> Subject: RE: synching endnote files between two computers?
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have been synchronising EN libraries between multiple
>> computers using software called Second Copy -
>> http://www.centered.com/ Chris
>>
>
> I don't think this does it.
>
> Suppose you have an Endnote library at work and copy it to your home
> computer. That evening you add 4 new references to the file at home.
> The
> next morning, you go into work, and add 10 new references to the file
> at
> work. Now the two libraries are no longer identical. What you want is a
> simple way to combine the two files back into one identical file on
> each
> computer. You want to update the library at home to add the 10 new
> references there, and you want to update the file at work to add the 4
> from
> home. Moreover, you want the two files to have identical record
> numbers --
> any specific reference has the same reference number in both files.
> Finally,
> documents using references from either library will be interchangeable.
>
> Synchronization software like this usually does nothing more than take
> the
> latest version of a file and make sure that all systems have it. In the
> scenario above, the work library will clobber the home library, and you
> would lose the four new references.
>
> Marsh Feldman
>
>
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RE: Ibid, Word v.X and Mac OS X 10.3.3

Author: Wiedemann, Leanne Posted: Mon, 17 May 2004 15:32:05 -0500

Yes, leaving something behind.... I do note that the Endnote 7 doesn't
always delete the reference list, even when it unformats the document...
Maybe after unformating, one should try the remove all fields command or
at least the remove endnote links? That might have done it. Thanks for
the full history of your travails.

Leanne

-----Original Message-----
From: Guillaume Daudin
Subject: Re: Ibid, Word v.X and Mac OS X 10.3.3

Yes, I had. So that does not seem to be the key (I did spend 4 hours
with the document before moving to the Endnote 4 "solution")

I agree with you it sometimes solves problems.

Might it be the case that even after unformatting Endnote 7 leaves
something behind that constrains the next formatting ? (and that
Endnote 4 does not take into account, thankfully ?) But that seems
strange.

Guillaume

> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 08:26:27 -0500
> From: "Wiedemann, Leanne"
>
> Did you ever unformat everything and reformat? I sometimes have
> a problem that already formatted references don't get updated,
> when I make a change to the style, and it was especially a
> problem when I was in an upgrade phase; manuscripts that had
> been worked on with an older version of Word or Endnote
> combinations didn't format properly, until I selected all,
> unformatted and reformatted the references. Maybe that
> explains the mojo mojo at work here?
>

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