EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: Troy Sagrillo Posted: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:04:13 +0100

Could anyone offer comments on the general compatibly of EN 7 and Panther? I
need to upgrade my OS from OS 10.2.8 for other reasons, but am concerned
that EN may not work with Panther. There have been no recent patches for Mac
EN, and ISI frequently is significantly behind the curve when it comes to
the Mac.

Thanks!

Troy

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Re: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: John Muse Posted: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:13:13 -0800

I've had real trouble with endnote 7, ms word x, and panther... I
only run these apps together if I have to and only if I don't plan on
switching between this group and other apps, for example internet
apps or image apps. Lots of crashes: open docs in word just
disappear and don't come back. I have to force quit word x and then
reboot, trash prefs for word and endnote.

My advice: if everything works in 10.2.8 then don't upgrade for
now... I installed endnote 7 after I installed panther. If I had to
do it over again I would have stayed with endnote 5...

I suspect that word x is at fault, but alas, no word from the
friendly folks at MS.

Best,
John

At 11:04 AM +0100 03.15.04, Troy Sagrillo wrote:
>Could anyone offer comments on the general compatibly of EN 7 and Panther?
I
>need to upgrade my OS from OS 10.2.8 for other reasons, but am concerned
>that EN may not work with Panther. There have been no recent patches for
Mac
>EN, and ISI frequently is significantly behind the curve when it comes to
>the Mac.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Troy
>
>
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Re: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: Support Ritme Informatique Posted: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:14:43 +0100

Hi,

Check out this web page: http://www.endnote.com/enmac_panther.asp

I think this will fit your need

Best regards,

At 11:04 15/03/2004, you wrote:
>Could anyone offer comments on the general compatibly of EN 7 and Panther?
I
>need to upgrade my OS from OS 10.2.8 for other reasons, but am concerned
>that EN may not work with Panther. There have been no recent patches for
Mac
>EN, and ISI frequently is significantly behind the curve when it comes to
>the Mac.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Troy
>
>
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Re: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: Thomas Doniol-Valcroze Posted: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:35:56 -0500

Hi Troy,

Just to let you know: I have Endnote 7 running on Panther (10.3.2) and
everything works perfectly well: templates, styles, remote searches,
etc.
I have had no problem whatsoever so far.

Cheers, Thomas.

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Subject: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: Owings, Robert R Posted: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:06:29 -0800

Troy,

I have been using Endnote 6.0.2 and Word X in 10.2.x for just over a year.
Last week I upgraded to Panther and yesterday I installed EN7. It was
installed merely because it was available on our licensed software list, not
because of any problems from 6.0.2. I have no major problems to report just
yet. When Word X started, Endnote 7 started instead of 6. I copied my
custom filters and styles to the version 7 folders and it seems to be just
fine. I have formatted bibliographies for various word documents and there
appears to be no difference. My custom styles did not show up in the
"Format Bibliography->With output style" combo box or in the browse list
available from that window until after I went through the menu options of
Edit->Output Styles->Open Style Manager. Other than that minor step,
endnote seems to be fine. With respect to web based reference searching, I
had to edit the file helper application option in my browser to point to
Endnote 7 instead of 6 for importing references from saved files off of the
web. It now works just as before.

Just a comment: endnote is very slow on a Mac when compared to a PC.
Compiling the bibliography for a huge file with hundreds of references (e.g.
my dissertation), a PC took less than a minute, while the mac took well over
5 (Mac: G4-500, 740MB RAM, Word X, EN6.0.2; PC: Athlon 1.2, 512 MB RAM,
Word XP, EN 6). I use the mac everyday all day, but the PC seems to perform
that last step in a reasonable amount of time.

Best wishes to you with Panther and EN7.

-Rob

Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:04:13 +0100
From: Troy Sagrillo /> Subject: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Could anyone offer comments on the general compatibly of EN 7 and Panther? I
need to upgrade my OS from OS 10.2.8 for other reasons, but am concerned
that EN may not work with Panther. There have been no recent patches for Mac
EN, and ISI frequently is significantly behind the curve when it comes to
the Mac.

Thanks!

Troy

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Re: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: RichardJHU Posted: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:22:08 EST

Irun them on both my lap top (G3) and G5 without any problems at all

I did turn off the continuous update of the references while you type
because I find it annoying, but not because it wasn't working. It
slowed down my G3 some...

But works great no issues for me =20
I wonder if you have some other problem...

Richard

In a message dated 16/3/04 12:58:30 pm, writes:

I've had real trouble with endnote 7, ms word x, and panther... I
only run these apps together if I have to and only if I don't plan on
switching between this group and other apps, for example internet
apps or image apps. Lots of crashes: open docs in word just
disappear and don't come back. I have to force quit word x and then
reboot, trash prefs for word and endnote.

My advice: if everything works in 10.2.8 then don't upgrade for
now... I installed endnote 7 after I installed panther. If I had to
do it over again I would have stayed with endnote 5...

I suspect that word x is at fault, but alas, no word from the
friendly folks at MS.

Best,
John

Re: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: John Muse Posted: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:48:03 -0800

Richard, are you using Word X? And with the 10.1.5 security update?

If so, then, well, wow.

j

At 1:22 PM -0500 03.16.04, wrote:
>Irun them on both my lap top (G3) and G5 without any problems at all
>
>I did turn off the continuous update of the references while you
>type because I find it annoying, but not because it wasn't working.
>It slowed down my G3 some...
>
>But works great no issues for me
>I wonder if you have some other problem...
>
>Richard
>
>
>In a message dated 16/3/04 12:58:30 pm, writes:
>
>>I've had real trouble with endnote 7, ms word x, and panther... I
>>only run these apps together if I have to and only if I don't plan on
>>switching between this group and other apps, for example internet
>>apps or image apps. Lots of crashes: open docs in word just
>>disappear and don't come back. I have to force quit word x and then
>>reboot, trash prefs for word and endnote.
>>
>>My advice: if everything works in 10.2.8 then don't upgrade for
>>now... I installed endnote 7 after I installed panther. If I had to
>>do it over again I would have stayed with endnote 5...
>>
>>I suspect that word x is at fault, but alas, no word from the
>>friendly folks at MS.
>>
>>Best,
>>John

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Re: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: Posted: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 20:18:11 +0100

Hi Thomas, and Troy,
I have endnote 7 running on Panther just as well with 600 odd Mb of ram
on a G4 laptop (933) and it is painfully slow.
Any ideas why?
Cheers
Mike
El 16/03/2004, a las 14:35, Thomas Doniol-Valcroze escribió:

> Hi Troy,
>
> Just to let you know: I have Endnote 7 running on Panther (10.3.2) and
> everything works perfectly well: templates, styles, remote searches,
> etc.
> I have had no problem whatsoever so far.
>
> Cheers, Thomas.
>
>
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Re: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Herv=E9_CACI?= Posted: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:04:49 +0100

Troy,

I recently updated from MacOS9/ProCite 5 to Panther/EN 7, I downloaded
also the updates from Apple and Microsoft (for Office X, 10.1.5). This
update were "forced" since people at ISI told me that ProCite will not
be moved to MacOS X...

I noticed a fair instability after inserting a citation especially when
I hit the back-delete key if the cursor is just before the inserted
citation (am I clear ?).

Thus EN 7 alone seems to be stable, but not the couple OfficeX + EN 7...

Also, I had to dowload the demo EN 7/PC to correctly impor my ProCite
database !!

In conclusion, I am strongly disappointed by EN 7/Mac...

Hervé CACI, MD, PhD
Pédopsychiatre (Child & Adolescent Psychiatry)
CHU de Nice
Hôpital Archet 2 - Service de Pédiatrie
151, route de Saint Antoine de Ginestière
06202 Nice Cedex 3 -- FRANCE
Tel: +33 (0)4 92 03 92 91
Fax: +33 (0)4 92 03 65 67

> Could anyone offer comments on the general compatibly of EN 7 and
> Panther? I
> need to upgrade my OS from OS 10.2.8 for other reasons, but am
> concerned
> that EN may not work with Panther. There have been no recent patches
> for Mac
> EN, and ISI frequently is significantly behind the curve when it comes
> to
> the Mac.

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Re: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: Simon Higgins Posted: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 03:18:41 -0500

> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:13:13 -0800
> From: John Muse
> Subject: Re: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility
>
> I've had real trouble with endnote 7, ms word x, and panther... I
> only run these apps together if I have to and only if I don't plan on
> switching between this group and other apps, for example internet
> apps or image apps. Lots of crashes: open docs in word just
> disappear and don't come back. I have to force quit word x and then
> reboot, trash prefs for word and endnote.
>
> My advice: if everything works in 10.2.8 then don't upgrade for
> now... I installed endnote 7 after I installed panther. If I had to
> do it over again I would have stayed with endnote 5...
>
> I suspect that word x is at fault, but alas, no word from the
> friendly folks at MS.
>
>
I had similar problems for a while (Word X with EndNote 6), but I seem to
have resolved this by repairing permissions (using the OS X Disk Utility).
It's also worth noting that Apple have just released 10.3.3 (accessible via
Software Update) - perhaps installing that will sort out your problem.

Simon
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Re: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: Troy Sagrillo Posted: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:25:29 +0100

on 16.03.2004 10.44 PM, /> wrote:

> 2) There is a continuing problem of being unable to directly enter
> characters with diacritical marks in EN7 (although they can be imported).

I had forgotten about that as-yet-and-likely-never-will-be-unresolved issue.
As I routinely use non-English resources (Note to ISI: *please* add Unicode
support!), I will remain with OS 10.2.8. This with all the other problems I
have heard about both on and off-list indicate ISI is, indeed, still behind
the curve.

I don't suppose anyone knows of a viable Mac-based reference manager that
actually supports Unicode (including right to left scripts) and works with
other word processors besides Word (which I do use, but pref. FrameMaker and
Nisus). I've been using EN since version 2 and have just about had enough of
it now.

Cheers,

Troy

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Re: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: John Muse Posted: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:09:45 -0800

Richard and Troy, here's a response I received from ISI Tech Support:

>At 5:51 PM +0100 03.08.04, Tech Support wrote:
>>Ok, a strange bug report: I use the CWYW (Endnote 7) in Word X and OS
>>X 10.3.2. When I hide documents, (say I launch a new application)
>>...snip...
>>... disappears when I remove EndNote
>>7 CWYW commands.dot and EndNote 7 CWYW Word X from the Word Start-up
>>folder. Any thoughts?
>>
>>John
>
>Hello John!
>
>I'm afraid this is not going to help but maybe it's some comfort to
>know that you are not alone. So, it's not specific to your machine.
>I have experienced the same problem on my G4/450 and I have so far
>been unable to find out what causes it or how to fix it. Very
>strange problem indeed. If you hear or find something out please
>drop me a line (I'll do the same).
>
>Best regards
>
>
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Re: EN 7 and Mac OS 10.3 compatibility

Author: John Muse Posted: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:31:47 -0800

Simon, I'll try your fix and get back to you... I updated to 10.3.3
yesterday... we'll see.

j

>
>I had similar problems for a while (Word X with EndNote 6), but I seem to
>have resolved this by repairing permissions (using the OS X Disk Utility).
>It's also worth noting that Apple have just released 10.3.3 (accessible via
>Software Update) - perhaps installing that will sort out your problem.
>
>Simon
>___________________________________________________
>Dr. Simon J. Higgins tel.
>+44-151-794-3512
>Department of Chemistry fax +44-151-794-3588
>University of Liverpool
>Crown Street via Mac OS X Mail
>LIVERPOOL
>L69 7ZD
>U.K.
>http://www.liv.ac.uk/chemistry/Staff/higgins.html
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