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Author:    Posted: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 13:23:16 -0500
On 1/14/05 at 2:00 AM -0500, endnote-interest-digest wrote: >When we do research don't we want to capture quotations from the >source document along with the bibliographic markers? I tend to read >a lot when I research and I'd like to have a way to capture actual >text passages, key ideas, my thoughts on how this passage connects >to concepts from other sources, etc. Then I'd like to be able to >search through all of this with keywords and sometimes full text >search on whatever quotation or passage I've scanned or typed into >the knowledgebase. It's a definite need, but I don't think EndNote is really designed for this -- or perhaps I should say that I don't think that EndNote works really well this way. For years I've experimented with different systems for taking notes. Initially, I used FileMaker Pro and cross-referenced (relationally) notes with the bibliography. The advantage of FM Pro is that you can set up fields for any keywords that you like, and searching is fast and precise. Lately, I have been trying a Macintosh program called "Hog Bay Notebook" ("Notelens" for Windows users). It's more free-form for notetaking, but it also allows one to reorganize notes (it's also an outliner), clone them (you can have the same note in two different places in an outline), and searching is fast but not as precise. I believe that there are other programs as well. Please share any information that you might have. --Marc ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

FW: notetaking programs
Author:    Posted: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:27:10 -0500
-----Original Message----- From: Marc Bizer Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 7:09 AM To: /> Cc: Jim Franzen Subject: notetaking programs On 1/14/05 at 2:00 AM -0500, endnote-interest-digest wrote: >When we do research don't we want to capture quotations from the source >document along with the bibliographic markers? I tend to read a lot >when I research and I'd like to have a way to capture actual text >passages, key ideas, my thoughts on how this passage connects to >concepts from other sources, etc. Then I'd like to be able to search >through all of this with keywords and sometimes full text search on >whatever quotation or passage I've scanned or typed into the >knowledgebase. It's a definite need, but I don't think EndNote is really designed for this -- or perhaps I should say that I don't think that EndNote works really well this way. For years I've experimented with different systems for taking notes. Initially, I used FileMaker Pro and cross-referenced (relationally) notes with the bibliography. The advantage of FM Pro is that you can set up fields for any keywords that you like, and searching is fast and precise. Lately, I have been trying a Macintosh program called "Hog Bay Notebook" ("Notelens" for Windows users). It's more free-form for notetaking, but it also allows one to reorganize notes (it's also an outliner), clone them (you can have the same note in two different places in an outline), and searching is fast but not as precise. I believe that there are other programs as well. Please share any information that you might have. --Marc Marc, I looked at Notelens just briefly, I'll try to download a trial version later. It seems very similar to the notes module in Scholar's Aid (www.scholarsaid.com) except that Scholar's Aid is designed more around research source types and bibliographic markers. The other module in scholar's aid is the library or source module which is similar to Endnote. So scholar's aid is a kind of combination of Endnote and Notelens; you can attach records in the notes module to the source in the library module. I also looked at Biblioscape, Procite, and other packages that emulate the source module capability of Endnote, but Endnote is the market leader and that is usually the safest bet. For the note functionality, if you like notelens you might want to look at Knoesis index card lite (www.knoesis.com). It is somewhat similar to notelens, but built around a scholarly research model. It has its advantages and disadvantages.... Thanks, Jim ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

Re: notetaking programs
Author:    Posted: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:08:28 -0500
I also use FMPro for this purpose, but have lately become interested in a free-form database application called DevonThink, which seems ideal for the purpose, but haven't had the time yet to experiment with it: ( http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/devonthink/overview.php ) Mac Only. Gijs Kessler International Institute of Social History Amsterdam, The Netherlands On 14 Jan 2005, at 21:23, wrote: On 1/14/05 at 2:00 AM -0500, endnote-interest-digest wrote: When we do research don't we want to capture quotations from the source document along with the bibliographic markers? I tend to read a lot when I research and I'd like to have a way to capture actual text passages, key ideas, my thoughts on how this passage connects to concepts from other sources, etc. Then I'd like to be able to search through all of this with keywords and sometimes full text search on whatever quotation or passage I've scanned or typed into the knowledgebase. It's a definite need, but I don't think EndNote is really designed for this -- or perhaps I should say that I don't think that EndNote works really well this way. For years I've experimented with different systems for taking notes. Initially, I used FileMaker Pro and cross-referenced (relationally) notes with the bibliography. The advantage of FM Pro is that you can set up fields for any keywords that you like, and searching is fast and precise. Lately, I have been trying a Macintosh program called "Hog Bay Notebook" ("Notelens" for Windows users). It's more free-form for notetaking, but it also allows one to reorganize notes (it's also an outliner), clone them (you can have the same note in two different places in an outline), and searching is fast but not as precise. I believe that there are other programs as well. Please share any information that you might have. --Marc ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System.

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