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Author: Burley Jane    Posted: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:30:13 -0500
Our school now has access to EndNote Web via ISI. I'm wondering if there are any listservs or forums to help people with this tool?? I've scoured the web, and haven't come up with much. I would imagine there will be a need for this. Thanks for any information! JS ----------------------------------------------------- B. Jane Scales, MA, MLIS. Distance Learning Librarian Holland Library 361 Washington State University Pullman, Washington 99163-5610 509-335-8950 /> "Sears Roebuck Catalog." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, answer to the question of what single book he'd put in the hands of a Russian Communist

RE: EndNote Web
Author: John East    Posted: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:31:00 -0500
> Our school now has access to EndNote Web via ISI. I'm wondering if > there are any listservs or forums to help people with this tool?? > I've scoured the web, and haven't come up with much. I would imagine > there will be a need for this. I don't see any reason why we shouldn't use this listserv for discussion about EndNote Web. It would be thoughtful to include the phrase "EndNote Web" in the subject line of messages, so that those who are not interested can delete them without opening. EndNote Web and EndNote desktop can exchange references and have many characteristics in common, and all institutions with site licences to EndNote have automatic access to EndNote Web (whether they want it or not!), so it seems logical to have a single listserv for both products. Of course, it is possible that Thomson may set up a separate listserv for EndNote Web. Our trials of EndNote Web have been disappointing so far. It won't interact with Word on public computers in our library because of firewall/proxy server issues. I don't expect any resolution of this problem in the foreseeable future. In these circumstances, we can't really recommend it to our students, although they can certainly use it at home if they have Internet access via a commercial Internet service provider. The other big issue for us is the inability to make local output styles available for our students. I think it is quite common in universities for particular departments/faculties/schools to produce their own referencing guide for students (usually a variant on some standard style). If we can't make EndNote Web output styles to match these, it limits the usefulness of EndNote Web for the students. I think it is quite clear that EndNote Web is really only a tool for undergraduates, or perhaps for coursework postgraduates also. My limited testing suggests that it is fairly slow and cumbersome when used with Word. This would not be a problem when writing an undergraduate essay, but you certainly wouldn't want to write a thesis with EndNote Web. Although it is possible to transfer references between EndNote Web and EndNote desktop, I can't see much advantage in this. If you do that, it would be a bit like having two different EndNote libraries, and we all know that is a recipe for disaster. However I guess it would be useful if a lecturer wanted to transfer a selection of references to the web for students to use. The ability to set up shared access to an EndNote Web library (folder) seems to be the major advantage of the product. Sorry for such a long posting, but I would be interested to hear opinions from others about EndNote Web. We have a notice to our students about EndNote Web at: http://www.library.uq.edu.au/endnote/endnoteweb/notice.html John East University of Queensland Library Email:

Re: EndNote Web
Author: Jie    Posted: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:36:54 -0500
My institution has EN web through ISI Web of Knowledge. Our users search all of our databases though IP authentication. However, from EN web, I realized that except PubMed, which is free, every database you try to connect asks for userid and password. I contacted EndNote. The answer is "Since there is no way to edit the connection files, you will be unable to connect to the databases in question using EN Web." Anyone has any idea on this? -- Thanks, Jie Jie Li, MLS Assistant Director for Public Services and Education Biomedical Library University of South Alabama Mobile, AL 36688 Phone: (251) 460-6890 Fax: (251) 460-7638 />

Re: EndNote Web
Author: Julie Solomon    Posted: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:26:53 -0500
I am in the process of setting up a small library for my undergrads to access in a specific course. I too, suspect that this is the main advantage of EN web at this point, although for me, that is a big advantage. THe ability to provide a "live" bibliography that I can develop and update throughout the semester in response to students' interests, is a big plus for me, as is what its very existence teaches them about the importance of bibliographical information. How will they (or will they at all) use it for writing their papers? At this level, I am happy to accept the basic MLA style provided with endnote web. Since we have a site licence, they could also import the refs to a desktop endnote and go from there. I will be providing suggestions for a simple "beginners" use of endnote: for example, just type (author name, year, page) by hand in the body of the text, and make a bibliography at the end using the "copy-formatted" command (command-K). I will indeed look forward to hearing others' experiences. Julie Solomon Romance Languages Wesleyan University On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:31 PM, wrote: >> Our school now has access to EndNote Web via ISI. I'm wondering if >> there are any listservs or forums to help people with this tool?? >> I've scoured the web, and haven't come up with much. I would imagine >> there will be a need for this. > > I don't see any reason why we shouldn't use this listserv for > discussion about EndNote Web. It would be thoughtful to include the > phrase "EndNote Web" in the subject line of messages, so that those > who are not interested can delete them without opening. > > EndNote Web and EndNote desktop can exchange references and have many > characteristics in common, and all institutions with site licences to > EndNote have automatic access to EndNote Web (whether they want it or > not!), so it seems logical to have a single listserv for both products. > Of course, it is possible that Thomson may set up a separate listserv > for EndNote Web. > > Our trials of EndNote Web have been disappointing so far. It won't > interact with Word on public computers in our library because of > firewall/proxy server issues. I don't expect any resolution of this > problem in the foreseeable future. In these circumstances, we can't > really recommend it to our students, although they can certainly use > it at home if they have Internet access via a commercial Internet > service provider. > > The other big issue for us is the inability to make local output > styles available for our students. I think it is quite common in > universities for particular departments/faculties/schools to produce > their own referencing guide for students (usually a variant on some > standard style). If we can't make EndNote Web output styles to match > these, it limits the usefulness of EndNote Web for the students. > > I think it is quite clear that EndNote Web is really only a tool for > undergraduates, or perhaps for coursework postgraduates also. My > limited testing suggests that it is fairly slow and cumbersome when > used with Word. This would not be a problem when writing an > undergraduate essay, but you certainly wouldn't want to write a thesis > with EndNote Web. > > Although it is possible to transfer references between EndNote Web and > EndNote desktop, I can't see much advantage in this. If you do that, > it would be a bit like having two different EndNote libraries, and we > all know that is a recipe for disaster. However I guess it would be > useful if a lecturer wanted to transfer a selection of references to > the web for students to use. The ability to set up shared access to an > EndNote Web library (folder) seems to be the major advantage of the product. > > Sorry for such a long posting, but I would be interested to hear > opinions from others about EndNote Web. We have a notice to our > students about EndNote Web at: > http://www.library.uq.edu.au/endnote/endnoteweb/notice.html > > > John East > University of Queensland Library > Email: /> >

RE: EndNote Web
Author: Roder John    Posted: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:22:51 -0500
Depending on the database you are searching you may find that you are given a 'persistent' link to the URL for the article in question. The point of this feature seems to be that it will take you to the article by way of the proxy server associated with your institution (and thus authenticate your right to access the database). For example whilst searching Academic Premier which I connected to through EbscoHost I find that when I bring up the record of an article it will include a field that they call a 'persistent' link for the article. For the article I have just accessed http://search.ebscohost.com.ezproxy.auckland.ac.nz/login.aspx?direct=tru e&db=aph&AN=16670241&site=ehost-live You will notice in the URL a section that follows ebscohost.com That is 'ezproxy.auckland.ac.nz' Now not every database seems to provide a 'persistent link' field. But it appears you can add the key bit to what is recorded in Endnote when you directly export from your database searches. A little detail then... With the help of our libraries digital services people they explained that if I might try and insert that section into my URL links in Endnote and it should produce the same effect. It seems that they were right - at least so far. Someone else can explain in what sort of situations it might not work. YOu do also have to be able to see where to split the URL to paste in the proxy section - in my case 'ezproxy.auckland.ac.nz'. And of course this won't work for anyone that your proxy server won't recognise. Hope this works for you. regards John John Roder Senior Lecturer Faculty of Education University of Auckland -----Original Message----- From: on behalf of /> Sent: Sat 2/17/2007 11:36 AM To: /> Subject: Re: EndNote Web My institution has EN web through ISI Web of Knowledge. Our users search all of our databases though IP authentication. However, from EN web, I realized that except PubMed, which is free, every database you try to connect asks for userid and password. I contacted EndNote. The answer is "Since there is no way to edit the connection files, you will be unable to connect to the databases in question using EN Web." Anyone has any idea on this? -- Thanks, Jie Jie Li, MLS Assistant Director for Public Services and Education Biomedical Library University of South Alabama Mobile, AL 36688 Phone: (251) 460-6890 Fax: (251) 460-7638 /> ###################################################################### Attention: This e-mail message is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. This e-mail has been scanned and cleared by MailMarshal www.marshalsoftware.com ######################################################################

Re: EndNote Web
Author: Maria Nordgren    Posted: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:05:10 -0500
Dear List we hav´t been using EndNote Web for 2 reasons. The word plug in don´t work on citrix clients "thin clients" and we don´t allow our students to save document on the desktop so they can´t use the rtf function. Has anyone else this kind of experience? Regards Maria Nordgren Medical library Umea Sweden At 07:30 2007-02-17, you wrote:

Re: EndNote Web
Author: Duncan Branley    Posted: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:19:48 -0500
I suppose it depends on how you authenticate with subscription databases. If you have a username and password, then you should be able to enter those without needing to change the connection file. However, many of our subscriptions are authenticated by Athens (and many others use this authentication in the UK), which acts as a proxy and so causes problems. I've been in discussion with EndNote techs, Adept and MIMAS about it. They've suggested: "As a workaround you might suggest that they search these databases directly using their web browser instead of through ENW. They could use ENW's capture function to capture individual records to their ENW library, or they could save search results to a text file and then import them into their ENW library. Another option would be to search these databases using EndNote X desktop and then transfer the records to ENW." Note also that CSA databases seem to connect, but don't. They've replicated this 'bug' and are looking into this. Duncan =================================================== Duncan Branley /> Research Applications Officer, I T Services Goldsmiths, University of London New Cross, LONDON SE14 6NW Tel: +44 (0)20 7919 7708 Fax: +44 (0)20 7919 7556 =================================================== --On 16 February 2007 17:36 -0500 wrote: > My institution has EN web through ISI Web of Knowledge. Our users > search all of our databases though IP authentication. However, from EN > web, I realized that except PubMed, which is free, every database you > try to connect asks for userid and password. I contacted EndNote. The > answer is "Since there is no way to edit the connection files, you > will be unable to connect to the databases in question using EN Web." > Anyone has any idea on this? > > -- > Thanks, > > Jie > > Jie Li, MLS > Assistant Director for Public Services and Education Biomedical > Library University of South Alabama Mobile, AL 36688 > Phone: (251) 460-6890 > Fax: (251) 460-7638 > /> >

RE: EndNote Web
Author: John East    Posted: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:30:33 -0500
> My institution has EN web through ISI Web of Knowledge. Our users > search all of our databases though IP authentication. > However, from EN web, I realized that except PubMed, which is free, > every database you try to connect asks for userid and password. I > contacted EndNote. The answer is "Since there is no way to edit the > connection files, you will be unable to connect to the databases in > question using EN Web." Anyone has any idea on this? Your Library should be able to obtain a username and password for the Z39.50 servers of the databases to which you subscribe. Once you have those, you will be able to connect via EndNote Web. John East University of Queensland Library Email: />

RE: EndNote Web
Author: John Terrell    Posted: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:25:12 -0500
Single login authentication for databases has been a major advance in usability, and I can't imagine returning to having different logins for each database. Direct export of references from databases is a much more user-friendly approach than connecting via z39.50, as it allows users to retain the search and display functionality of the individual databases. I lost interest in EndNote Web when I could only export from Web of Knowledge - EBSCO allowed direct export but the results were a mess, and ProQuest, CSA and InfoTrac did not offer it. I won't bother with EN web until these features are available John Terrell Lecturer in Information Management RMIT University /> >>> 21/02/07 9:30 >>> >> My institution has EN web through ISI Web of Knowledge. Our users > >search all of our databases though IP authentication. > >However, from EN web, I realized that except PubMed, which is free, > >every database you try to connect asks for userid and password. I > >contacted EndNote. The answer is "Since there is no way to edit the > >connection files, you will be unable to connect to the databases in > >question using EN Web." Anyone has any idea on this? >Your Library should be able to obtain a username and password for the >Z39.50 servers of the databases to which you subscribe. Once you have >those, you will be able to connect via EndNote Web. John East University of Queensland Library Email: />

EndNote Web issues
Author: Buzz Haughton    Posted: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:57:52 -0500
All: I've been trying to help a graduate student here at UC Davis who created and added to an EndNote Web library over several months. When UC Davis concluded an institutional contract with Thomson for desktop EndNote, he wanted to download his EndNote Web library. I told him how to install the X.0.2 patch, etc. But he cannot connect; EndNote keeps asking him for his username and password in an endless loop. :-\ I called EndNote tech support twice. The first time I was told to have him clear Internet Explorer's cache; nothing changed. The second time I was told to have him uncheck Use Automatic Connection on his LAN settings. This may work; we have yet to see, but it doesn't really solve the problem, inasmuch as he relies on that setting to use the campus proxy server in his DSL connection. (Another question is whether using a different web browser, e.g. Firefox, might resolve this issue; I use Firefox on both my PC and my Mac with no worries. He, alas, has only IE at the moment.) I finally contrived a workaround by having him list my email address as sharing his library; curiously, EndNote Web would not allow him to add his own email address. (He wanted to experiment with whether he could access his library as a sharer rather than the owner.) Then, I opened my desktop EndNote, created a new library, went to Transfer References and transferred his library. However, shared libraries were not listed as downloadable into my desktop EndNote library, only my own. :-\ So I copied all his references into a new EndNote Web library of my own, and eventually he got the references he had been trying to get for several days now. This story has a sort-of happy ending, but it still raises questions about EndNote Web: why couldn't he connect using the Transfer References command? Why couldn't he give his own email address as sharing his library? And why could I not transfer references from a shared library, only libraries I myself had created? -- Buzz Haughton 100 N West Quad Davis, CA 95616-5292 (530) 754-5705 Fax: (530) 754-8785 />

RE: EndNote Web issues
Author: John East    Posted: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:22:43 -0500
We have had similar problems on our public machines. It seems to be a proxy server/firewall issue. Of course it is easy enough to export references from EndNote Web as a text file, in the RefMan (RIS) format. This file can then be imported into the desktop version of EndNote. John East University of Queensland Library Email: /> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- I've been trying to help a graduate student here at UC Davis who created and added to an EndNote Web library over several months. When UC Davis concluded an institutional contract with Thomson for desktop EndNote, he wanted to download his EndNote Web library. I told him how to install the X.0.2 patch, etc. But he cannot connect; EndNote keeps asking him for his username and password in an endless loop.

EndNote Web
Author: Paul Haysom    Posted: May 14th, 2007 3:38PM
Hi, Has anyone encountered problems with the Cite while you Write feature in EndNote X in Word 2007 when used in conjunction with EndNote Web. There seems to be some problem with a firewall issue which has not been fully resolved. Thomson have not come up with an answer despite a recent server upgrade to EndNote Web. The direct login to MyEndnote Web is fine, the problem comes when trying to connect using the EndNote toolbar. The connection fails for some unknown reason. We are using Checkpoint NGX firewall and the ports specified have been enabled to access Endnote Web. Thanks Paul

Cite while you write and EndNote Web problems
Author: Endnote-interest    Posted: May 14th, 2007 3:30PM
Hi, Has anyone encountered problems with the Cite while you Write feature in EndNote X in Word 2007 when used in conjunction with EndNote Web. There seems to be some problem with a firewall issue which has not been fully resolved. Thomson have not come up with an answer despite a recent server upgrade to EndNote Web. The direct login to MyEndnote Web is fine, the problem comes when trying to connect using the EndNote toolbar. The connection fails for some unknown reason. We are using Checkpoint NGX firewall and the ports specified have been enabled to access Endnote Web. Thanks Paul Paul Haysom Technical Support Manager, Learning Resources University of Bedfordshire, Park Square, Luton, Beds, LU1 3JU e: t: 01582 489281, f: 01582 489325

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