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Author:    Posted: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:29:42 -0400
I am currently compiling a bibliography for a history thesis (with Word 2000 and End Note 5) and I have some references where a work by one (medieval) author has then been edited and translated by a single (modern) author. I can't see a way to change my output style (based n Chicago 14th) so that it will combine the editor and translator if and only if they are the same person. Is this possible to do, or will I just have to edit the bibliography manually? Any suggestions welcome, Rachel ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

RE: Editor and translator the same
Author:    Posted: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:01:18 -0400
> I am currently compiling a bibliography for a history thesis > (with Word 2000 and End Note 5) and I have some references > where a work by one > (medieval) author has then been edited and translated by a > single (modern) author. I can't see a way to change my output > style (based n Chicago 14th) so that it will combine the > editor and translator if and only if they are the same > person. Is this possible to do, or will I just have to edit > the bibliography manually? I'm afraid that you will have to edit the bibliography after you have finished writing the thesis and removed the field codes. EndNote still has problems with the more sophisticated referencing styles used in the humanities. Of course, you could modify your reference types and output style to have a special field for "Editor and Translator", but it isn't worth it for the few occasions when this occurs. John East University of Queensland Library Email: /> ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

Re: Editor and translator the same
Author:    Posted: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:22:01 -0400
You could try putting "and edited by <Name>," in the translator field, but otherwise there's no easy way. > > From: /> > Date: 15/04/2005 4:29:42 > To: /> > Subject: Editor and translator the same > > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

RE: Editor and translator the same
Author:    Posted: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:25:50 -0400
How about a different ref type, specific to that situation where the author and translator are the same, and then a separate template for them in the style? -----Original Message----- From: on behalf of /> Sent: Fri 4/15/2005 3:22 PM To: /> Subject: Re: Editor and translator the same You could try putting "and edited by <Name>," in the translator field, but otherwise there's no easy way. > > From: /> > Date: 15/04/2005 4:29:42 > To: /> > Subject: Editor and translator the same > > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System.

RE: Editor and translator the same
Author:    Posted: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:02:50 -0400
Not to belabor the point, but as John East indicates, humanities styles are a major weak point for Endnote. In my experience, "Editor and translator" is not at all an uncommon need. The topic came up with a colleague today who said she hopes to learn Endnote better this summer but has huge numbers of "editor and translator" works to enter--I would guess mainly 17th-century Italian texts in her case. This sort of issue has people in my department feeling very mixed about Endnote--most people use it to some extent, because we get an excellent discount through the university, but then there is great disillusion because it either won't do what we need or has to be fiddled with considerably by people who aren't that sure what they are doing. We don't really have tech support on Endnote here to show us how to handle complex formatting changes. Also, no one really dares try Endnote 8, although many people use sources in Chinese, Japanese, and Cyrillic characters and would like to get the benefit of unicode. Karla Huebner History of Art and Architecture University of Pittsburgh At 12:01 PM 4/15/2005, you wrote: > > I am currently compiling a bibliography for a history thesis > > (with Word 2000 and End Note 5) and I have some references > > where a work by one > > (medieval) author has then been edited and translated by a > > single (modern) author. I can't see a way to change my output > > style (based n Chicago 14th) so that it will combine the > > editor and translator if and only if they are the same > > person. Is this possible to do, or will I just have to edit > > the bibliography manually? > >I'm afraid that you will have to edit the bibliography after you have >finished writing the thesis and removed the field codes. EndNote still has >problems with the more sophisticated referencing styles used in the >humanities. > >Of course, you could modify your reference types and output style to have a >special field for "Editor and Translator", but it isn't worth it for the few >occasions when this occurs. > >John East >University of Queensland Library >Email: /> > > >________________________________________________________________________ >This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email >Security System. > >______________________________________________________________________ >This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >______________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

RE: Editor and translator the same
Author:    Posted: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:37:07 -0400
I would be very surprised if tech support were not willing to provide you with a style fitting your requirements. In fact, a number of the users on this group will do so, off list, if you specify the requirements in enough detail. Any style can be sent to tech support, to include on their website. That said: When I look at the Reference types, there are 4 author options. Author, Secondary Author, Tertiary author and subsidiary author. In the book, book section and something else, the translator is defined as the subsidiary author. The Style "Comp Lit Studies" in EndNote7 (at least Windows version), uses this translator field in its templates, for example. I don't know how many others come out of the can using translator fields (probably not many). The Editor Parsing panel applies to editors, translators, and other authors that are in EndNote's Generic Secondary Author, Tertiary Author, and Subsidiary Author fields. The problem and the blessing of EndNote is its adaptability, but the more it can do the more complicated it gets, and the more you need to consult the help function, read the manual and ask the user group! Leanne -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of /> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:03 PM To: /> Subject: RE: Editor and translator the same Not to belabor the point, but as John East indicates, humanities styles are a major weak point for Endnote. In my experience, "Editor and translator" is not at all an uncommon need. ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

RE: Editor and translator the same
Author:    Posted: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:19:35 -0400
Ultimately, it would be lovely if En. could automatically adjust its output when the information in the Editor field matches that in the Translator field; but I'm having some difficulty figuring out how you'd specify this in an output style template. Maybe there could be a special "templates" section (on the left) in the output style where you could define criteria for using a particular template... i.e., you could specify --> Use this template when reference type is [drop-down list: book] and [drop-down list: Translator] [drop-down list: equals] [drop-down list: contents of field] [drop-down list: Editor] Template: Author. Title. Edited and translated by Editor. etc. where en. would look here first; go to the normal templates if nothing was found; and go to the generic template (as it currently does) if nothing is defined at all. Something for en.9? (Hello: beta testers?!? ISI moderators?!?) In the interim, you're left either defining a custom field for "Editor and translator" and then including that in your output style (which runs the risk of being omitted completely if you change styles) or, as I suggested, putting "and translated by <Name>," in the Editor field (which runs the risk of coming out incorrectly if you change style). M ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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